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 Re: Wisdom teeth Stormin Mormon wrote: - quote - > I've wondered. Would it make more sense to have something named > "wisdom" that functions well and remains in the body? > > It seems a bit peculiar to name "wisdom" a body part that gives > pain and needs to be yanked out with renamed over glorified > pliers. > > What else can we rename and yank out with pliers? How about a > wisdom appendix? Maybe a couple wisdom ear lobes? Get creative, a > wisdom hemmorhoid? Couple feet of wisdom lower intestine? > Wizzies were so named because of the age at which they normally erupt (18-21). Steve |
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05-19-2007, 02:34 AM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth I've wondered. Would it make more sense to have something named "wisdom" that functions well and remains in the body? It seems a bit peculiar to name "wisdom" a body part that gives pain and needs to be yanked out with renamed over glorified pliers. What else can we rename and yank out with pliers? How about a wisdom appendix? Maybe a couple wisdom ear lobes? Get creative, a wisdom hemmorhoid? Couple feet of wisdom lower intestine? -- Christopher A. Young You can't shout down a troll. You have to starve them. .. |
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| Re: Wisdom teeth the wisdom teeth extarction- dont correct nature just like that. The reason of extraction are the symptoms.. regards kris-polanowski DDS Użytkownik "The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> napisał w wiadomości news:tmjiatroepidemic-DCD2E3.12000310052007[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com... - quote - > In article <1178810851.166373.34070[at]l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 10, 10:17 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > In article <1178806940.665553.248...[at]o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > > > Hold it ! ! ! ! ! > > > > > > > > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft > > > > > tissue > > > > > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > > > > > > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > / > > > > > > > > Amatus > > > > > > > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He > > > > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > > > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent > > > > > > > > surgical > > > > > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will > > > > > > > > referred > > > > > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a > > > > > > > > flap..........How > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine > > > > > > > extractions") > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > get very expensive. > > > > > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the > > > > > > bread > > > > > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > > > > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus > > > > > > lift, > > > > > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when > > > > > > he > > > > > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% > > > > > > came > > > > > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > > > > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > > > > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can > > > > > > do > > > > > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it > > > > may > > > > suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That > > > > is why OMFS make so much money. > > > > BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 > > > > for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. > > > > > > It would be interesting to go back before the mid 1990s to see how much > > > bread and butter came from "TMJ surgery" (and all the fixin's). > > > > > > W- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > I think dentistry changed a long way in the last 10 years.......it is > > a constant changing science that we learn by practicing and learning > > from others. 10 years ago how many dentist will dare to immediate > > extract/ immediate placement/immediate temporization........Now I know > > many dentist are doing immediate placement flap or none flap.........I > > don't know much about everything because I'm still very new at > > this....But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > > provide a better care for my patient. > > Albert > > Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am providing a > link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. > Note what was going on ten years ago. > > http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html > > Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... > > Webby |
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05-10-2007, 11:34 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <1178838591.762580.231820[at]e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> , "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On May 10, 4:53 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote:
With pleasure, Albert. Thanks for your attention.> > In article > > <tmjiatroepidemic-802671.14285410052...[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com> , > > The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <HOK0i.3167$RX.2...[at]newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> , > > > "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > > > > I forgot all about Larry Wolford. > > > > > Just so that *we* don't forget all about Charles Homsy and Jack Kent. > > > You know, I'm one of those "cases" referred to in the first study with > > > Techmedica. My joints were #48 and #49, IIRC. Anyway, they were within > > > the first 50. Back in 1991-1992, if I had had the surgery done at > > > Baylor, Baylor required $100,000.00 cash prior to admission *and* > > > insurance "preauthorization". I opted to wait a couple months until my > > > regular LA surgeon was ready for my case. St. John's Hospital in Santa > > > Monica didn't require what Baylor did. Sheesh..... > > > > Also, I could have gone to Chicago with Dr. Mercuri but I didn't want to > > be *postop* in Chicago during the winter trying to make my way back > > home; so I didn't investigate the finances. Instead, Dr. Mercuri > > travelled to LA in winter (Jan '92) to observe my surgery. LA/Santa > > Monica became the 3rd geographical location where the Techmedica joint > > replacement surgery was available. And of course, the manufacturer was > > just north of LA (still is in the same general area -- TMJ Concepts). > > > > Webby > > > > > Webby > > > > [clip] > > > > > > > > > > > > But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > > > > > > provide a better care for my patient. > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am > > > > > providing a > > > > > link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. > > > > > Note what was going on ten years ago. > > > > > > > http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html > > > > > > > Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... > > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Great insight.......Thanks for the info Webby........... Webby |
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05-10-2007, 11:09 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth On May 10, 4:53 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: - quote - > In article
Great insight.......Thanks for the info Webby...........> <tmjiatroepidemic-802671.14285410052...[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com> , > The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > In article <HOK0i.3167$RX.2...[at]newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> , > > "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > > I forgot all about Larry Wolford. > > > Just so that *we* don't forget all about Charles Homsy and Jack Kent. > > You know, I'm one of those "cases" referred to in the first study with > > Techmedica. My joints were #48 and #49, IIRC. Anyway, they were within > > the first 50. Back in 1991-1992, if I had had the surgery done at > > Baylor, Baylor required $100,000.00 cash prior to admission *and* > > insurance "preauthorization". I opted to wait a couple months until my > > regular LA surgeon was ready for my case. St. John's Hospital in Santa > > Monica didn't require what Baylor did. Sheesh..... > > Also, I could have gone to Chicago with Dr. Mercuri but I didn't want to > be *postop* in Chicago during the winter trying to make my way back > home; so I didn't investigate the finances. Instead, Dr. Mercuri > travelled to LA in winter (Jan '92) to observe my surgery. LA/Santa > Monica became the 3rd geographical location where the Techmedica joint > replacement surgery was available. And of course, the manufacturer was > just north of LA (still is in the same general area -- TMJ Concepts). > > Webby > > > Webby > > [clip] > > > > > > > > But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > > > > > provide a better care for my patient. > > > > > Albert > > > > > Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am providing a > > > > link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. > > > > Note what was going on ten years ago. > > > > > http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html > > > > > Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |
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05-10-2007, 09:53 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <tmjiatroepidemic-802671.14285410052007[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com> , The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <HOK0i.3167$RX.2172[at]newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> ,
Also, I could have gone to Chicago with Dr. Mercuri but I didn't want to> "Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > I forgot all about Larry Wolford. > > Just so that *we* don't forget all about Charles Homsy and Jack Kent. > You know, I'm one of those "cases" referred to in the first study with > Techmedica. My joints were #48 and #49, IIRC. Anyway, they were within > the first 50. Back in 1991-1992, if I had had the surgery done at > Baylor, Baylor required $100,000.00 cash prior to admission *and* > insurance "preauthorization". I opted to wait a couple months until my > regular LA surgeon was ready for my case. St. John's Hospital in Santa > Monica didn't require what Baylor did. Sheesh..... be *postop* in Chicago during the winter trying to make my way back home; so I didn't investigate the finances. Instead, Dr. Mercuri travelled to LA in winter (Jan '92) to observe my surgery. LA/Santa Monica became the 3rd geographical location where the Techmedica joint replacement surgery was available. And of course, the manufacturer was just north of LA (still is in the same general area -- TMJ Concepts). Webby - quote - > > Webby [clip] - quote - > > > > But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > > > > provide a better care for my patient. > > > > Albert > > > > > > Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am providing a > > > link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. > > > Note what was going on ten years ago. > > > > > > http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html > > > > > > Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... > > > > > > Webby |
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05-10-2007, 09:28 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <HOK0i.3167$RX.2172[at]newssvr11.news.prodigy.net> , "Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: - quote - > I forgot all about Larry Wolford.
Just so that *we* don't forget all about Charles Homsy and Jack Kent.You know, I'm one of those "cases" referred to in the first study with Techmedica. My joints were #48 and #49, IIRC. Anyway, they were within the first 50. Back in 1991-1992, if I had had the surgery done at Baylor, Baylor required $100,000.00 cash prior to admission *and* insurance "preauthorization". I opted to wait a couple months until my regular LA surgeon was ready for my case. St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica didn't require what Baylor did. Sheesh..... Webby - quote - > > -- > / > > Amatus > > / > "The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote in message > news:tmjiatroepidemic-DCD2E3.12000310052007[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com... > > In article <1178810851.166373.34070[at]l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > > "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 10, 10:17 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > In article <1178806940.665553.248...[at]o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > > > > Hold it ! ! ! ! ! > > > > > > > > > > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft > > > > > > tissue > > > > > > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > > > > > > > > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Amatus > > > > > > > > > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He > > > > > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent > > > > > > > > > surgical > > > > > > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will > > > > > > > > > referred > > > > > > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a > > > > > > > > > flap..........How > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they > > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > > > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine > > > > > > > > extractions") > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > get very expensive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the > > > > > > > bread > > > > > > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > > > > > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus > > > > > > > lift, > > > > > > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > > > > > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > > > > > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it > > > > > may > > > > > suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That > > > > > is why OMFS make so much money. > > > > > BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 > > > > > for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. > > > > > > > > It would be interesting to go back before the mid 1990s to see how much > > > > bread and butter came from "TMJ surgery" (and all the fixin's). > > > > > > > > W- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > I think dentistry changed a long way in the last 10 years.......it is > > > a constant changing science that we learn by practicing and learning > > > from others. 10 years ago how many dentist will dare to immediate > > > extract/ immediate placement/immediate temporization........Now I know > > > many dentist are doing immediate placement flap or none flap.........I > > > don't know much about everything because I'm still very new at > > > this....But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > > > provide a better care for my patient. > > > Albert > > > > Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am providing a > > link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. > > Note what was going on ten years ago. > > > > http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html > > > > Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... > > > > Webby |
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05-10-2007, 07:57 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth I forgot all about Larry Wolford. -- / Amatus / "The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote in message news:tmjiatroepidemic-DCD2E3.12000310052007[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com... - quote - > In article <1178810851.166373.34070[at]l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 10, 10:17 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > In article <1178806940.665553.248...[at]o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > > > Hold it ! ! ! ! ! > > > > > > > > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft > > > > > tissue > > > > > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > > > > > > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > / > > > > > > > > Amatus > > > > > > > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He > > > > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > > > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent > > > > > > > > surgical > > > > > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will > > > > > > > > referred > > > > > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a > > > > > > > > flap..........How > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they > > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine > > > > > > > extractions") > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > get very expensive. > > > > > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the > > > > > > bread > > > > > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > > > > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus > > > > > > lift, > > > > > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when > > > > > > he > > > > > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% > > > > > > came > > > > > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > > > > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > > > > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can > > > > > > do > > > > > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it > > > > may > > > > suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That > > > > is why OMFS make so much money. > > > > BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 > > > > for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. > > > > > > It would be interesting to go back before the mid 1990s to see how much > > > bread and butter came from "TMJ surgery" (and all the fixin's). > > > > > > W- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > I think dentistry changed a long way in the last 10 years.......it is > > a constant changing science that we learn by practicing and learning > > from others. 10 years ago how many dentist will dare to immediate > > extract/ immediate placement/immediate temporization........Now I know > > many dentist are doing immediate placement flap or none flap.........I > > don't know much about everything because I'm still very new at > > this....But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > > provide a better care for my patient. > > Albert > > Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am providing a > link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. > Note what was going on ten years ago. > > http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html > > Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... > > Webby |
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <1178810851.166373.34070[at]l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On May 10, 10:17 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote:
Take, for instance, total joint replacement of the TMJ. I am providing a> > In article <1178806940.665553.248...[at]o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > > Hold it ! ! ! ! ! > > > > > > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft > > > > tissue > > > > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > > > > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > > > > > -- > > > > / > > > > > > Amatus > > > > > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > In article <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He probably > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent > > > > > > > surgical > > > > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will > > > > > > > referred > > > > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a flap..........How > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine extractions") > > > > > > can > > > > > > get very expensive. > > > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the > > > > > bread > > > > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > > > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus lift, > > > > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when he > > > > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% came > > > > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > > > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > > > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can do > > > > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it may > > > suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That > > > is why OMFS make so much money. > > > BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 > > > for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. > > > > It would be interesting to go back before the mid 1990s to see how much > > bread and butter came from "TMJ surgery" (and all the fixin's). > > > > W- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I think dentistry changed a long way in the last 10 years.......it is > a constant changing science that we learn by practicing and learning > from others. 10 years ago how many dentist will dare to immediate > extract/ immediate placement/immediate temporization........Now I know > many dentist are doing immediate placement flap or none flap.........I > don't know much about everything because I'm still very new at > this....But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can > provide a better care for my patient. > Albert link to an article that, IMHO, is worthy of everyone's time to read. Note what was going on ten years ago. http://www.baylorhealth.edu/proceedi...2_wolford.html Learning is never finished. But then we all know that... Webby |
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05-10-2007, 03:27 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth On May 10, 10:17 am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <1178806940.665553.248...[at]o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> ,
I think dentistry changed a long way in the last 10 years.......it is> > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: > > > Hold it ! ! ! ! ! > > > > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft tissue > > > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > > > -- > > > / > > > > Amatus > > > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He probably can > > > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent surgical > > > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will referred > > > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a flap..........How do > > > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they place > > > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine extractions") can > > > > > get very expensive. > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the bread > > > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus lift, > > > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when he > > > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% came > > > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can do > > > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it may > > suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That > > is why OMFS make so much money. > > BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 > > for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. > > It would be interesting to go back before the mid 1990s to see how much > bread and butter came from "TMJ surgery" (and all the fixin's). > > W- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - a constant changing science that we learn by practicing and learning from others. 10 years ago how many dentist will dare to immediate extract/ immediate placement/immediate temporization........Now I know many dentist are doing immediate placement flap or none flap.........I don't know much about everything because I'm still very new at this....But I'm eager to learn, and I hope by doing my learning I can provide a better care for my patient. Albert |
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05-10-2007, 03:19 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <6nd643dtpdjcaluumj8pth272evv4f4u2v[at]4ax.com> , Newbie <nox[at]bix.nex> wrote: - quote - > On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:53:09 -0700, The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net>
Sure... why not???? It works for me! ;-)> wrote: > > > In article <1178801104_2480[at]news.newsville.com> , > > Dartos <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Guess we aren't your regular GPs. > > > > > ;-) > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > From the reading of posts made by the regulars here......I'm very > > > > impress with the knowledge this bunch have.............Thta is why I > > > > keep coming back to learn from others......... > > > > > > > > > > Hey, don't go buttering me up. I'll think I'm in the wrong ng <G> . > > > > > > D > > > > What is it they say about conquering Rome? ;-) > > > > W > > "Methinks something is rotten in Denmark" ? |
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <1178806940.665553.248910[at]o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> , "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote:
It would be interesting to go back before the mid 1990s to see how much> > Hold it ! ! ! ! ! > > > > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft tissue > > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > > > -- > > / > > > > Amatus > > > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > > In article <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He probably can > > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent surgical > > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will referred > > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a flap..........How do > > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they place > > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > > Albert > > > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine extractions") can > > > > get very expensive. > > > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the bread > > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus lift, > > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when he > > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% came > > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can do > > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it may > suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That > is why OMFS make so much money. > BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 > for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. bread and butter came from "TMJ surgery" (and all the fixin's). W |
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| Re: Wisdom teeth On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:53:09 -0700, The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <1178801104_2480[at]news.newsville.com> ,
"Methinks something is rotten in Denmark" ?> Dartos <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote: > > > > > Guess we aren't your regular GPs. > > > > ;-) > > > > Steve > > > > > > From the reading of posts made by the regulars here......I'm very > > > impress with the knowledge this bunch have.............Thta is why I > > > keep coming back to learn from others......... > > > > > > > Hey, don't go buttering me up. I'll think I'm in the wrong ng <G> . > > > > D > > What is it they say about conquering Rome? ;-) > > W |
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In article <1178801104_2480[at]news.newsville.com> , Dartos <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote: - quote - > > > Guess we aren't your regular GPs.
What is it they say about conquering Rome? ;-)> > > ;-) > > > Steve > > > > From the reading of posts made by the regulars here......I'm very > > impress with the knowledge this bunch have.............Thta is why I > > keep coming back to learn from others......... > > > > Hey, don't go buttering me up. I'll think I'm in the wrong ng <G> . > > D W |
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05-10-2007, 02:33 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth On May 10, 8:33 am, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: - quote - > On 9 May 2007 14:49:23 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
We all know there are many style of practice, and everyone's comfort> > > > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I will have both > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > Really. > > > > > But If your > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He probably can > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent surgical > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will referred > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a flap..........How do > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they place > > that many implants........Right? > > Albert > > Yep, I'd buy that for a dollar. > > BTW what are the average fees for impactions in your area ?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - level is different. I think the average FFS fee for impaction is $250, Insurance......I don't know.....Most my patient are FFS.....I sign up with only 2 PPO. |
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05-10-2007, 02:22 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth On May 10, 6:04 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Nic...[at]sottovocce.com> wrote: - quote - > Hold it ! ! ! ! !
Not me.....I have no problem with all these four teeth......But it may> > You trained to do sinus lift's, but are afraid to do a simple soft tissue > extraction of an upper third? Come on! > > Something does not fit here. Did I misunderstand? > > -- > / > > Amatus > > /<ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1178762969.390748.292110[at]q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On May 9, 4:52 pm, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote: > > > In article <1178747363.313250.140...[at]y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> , > > > > "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote: > > > > > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" > > > > > <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I will have both > > > > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > > > > Really. > > > > > > > But If your > > > > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He probably can > > > > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > > > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent surgical > > > > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will referred > > > > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a flap..........How do > > > > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they place > > > > that many implants........Right? > > > > Albert > > > > Maxillofacial surgery (excluding in office "routine extractions") can > > > get very expensive. > > > > Webby- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > True........But....Wizzy extraction with General sedation is the bread > > and butter procedure for most Oral surgeon.........One of my best > > friend is an OMFS.....He is the one that teach me doing sinus lift, > > ridge augmentation, and wizzy removal........I was suprise when he > > told me 60% of his collection came from Wizzy extraction, 30% came > > from Maxillofacial surgeries, and merely 10% are from implant > > placement.........He maintain a low overhead, and rarely sent out > > christmas goodies to referring GPs..........Now only an OMFS can do > > that...........- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - suprise you.....many dentist will referred these four teeth out. That is why OMFS make so much money. BTW: I love cases like this.......$250 for each extraction, $200-$300 for each bone graft......It is good production for the business. |
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05-10-2007, 01:33 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth On 9 May 2007 14:49:23 -0700, "ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com" <ahuangdds2[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > On May 9, 4:41 pm, Newbie <n...[at]bix.nex> wrote:
Yep, I'd buy that for a dollar.> > On 9 May 2007 13:54:08 -0700, "ahuangd...[at]gmail.com" <ahuangd...[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I will have both > > > extracted if it is in my mouth.........#1 is not easy.... > > > > Nah, it's a walk in the park. > > Really. > > > > > But If your > > > dentist can extract #17 and #32 with no problems, He probably can > > > extract #1 and #16 too......... > > > > 17 & 32 looked straight forward to me. > > That is because you are an experience dentist with excellent surgical > skills......I bet 8 out of 10 GP down the road from you will referred > #1 out. Many GP's don't even know how to lay a flap..........How do > you think OMFS make over $500K per year.....I don't think they place > that many implants........Right? > Albert BTW what are the average fees for impactions in your area ? |
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05-10-2007, 12:46 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth And I was not pointing this out to make excuses to keep the wisdom teeth. Most wisdom teeth over time have some problems develop that would make it a good idea to get them out of there. It's just that you should know why you're doing it and not make stuff up. :-) D Amatus Cremona wrote: - quote - > In the 1960's, all dentists thought wisdom teeth would push the teeth > forward. In the 1970's about half though this way. In the 1980's, about > 20%. > > Do you see the trend? > > If wisdom teeth could push teeth around, a wisdom tooth with the tooth in > front of it missing, should virtually march forward at the rate of 8-10 mm > every month. Instead, all they do is fall over (tip forward). > > Wisdom teeth often have small roots. Even if they had normal sized roots, > you would be asking that amount of surface area to be able to push 5-8 times > as much root surface area forward. Ever try to push a car stuck in the snow > and your feet kept slipping? > |
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05-10-2007, 12:41 PM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth - quote - > > Guess we aren't your regular GPs.
Hey, don't go buttering me up. I'll think I'm in the wrong ng <G> .> > ;-) > > Steve > > From the reading of posts made by the regulars here......I'm very > impress with the knowledge this bunch have.............Thta is why I > keep coming back to learn from others......... > D |
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05-10-2007, 11:09 AM
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| Re: Wisdom teeth In the 1960's, all dentists thought wisdom teeth would push the teeth forward. In the 1970's about half though this way. In the 1980's, about 20%. Do you see the trend? If wisdom teeth could push teeth around, a wisdom tooth with the tooth in front of it missing, should virtually march forward at the rate of 8-10 mm every month. Instead, all they do is fall over (tip forward). Wisdom teeth often have small roots. Even if they had normal sized roots, you would be asking that amount of surface area to be able to push 5-8 times as much root surface area forward. Ever try to push a car stuck in the snow and your feet kept slipping? -- / Amatus / "qwerty" <qwerty[at]ihopethisisnotadomain.com> wrote in message news:Xns992C87B6FF842p3ifw90nsdek[at]193.92.150.76... - quote - > Dartos <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote in news:1178714995_1342 > [at]news.newsville.com: > > > > It can shift > > > your other teeth > > > > Several studies have contradicted this. > > > > Really? I'm interested in this because my dentist mentioned that they > could move other teeth. Note that I had the teeth pulled at an oral > surgeon, not by that dentist, he said he couldn't do the operation. > > To share my experience, the only tooth out of the 4 that was causing > any pain was the lower left one. After it was removed I noticed that > the whole left side of the teeth on the low jaw looked like they had > been pushed to the right. I'm not certain that the wisdom tooth moved > them because (believe it or not) I had never looked carefully in that > area before the extraction, in my whole life. So it might have been > that way from the beginning. |
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