Best words in the English language.
Gail

"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote in message
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Luv ya' !

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Amatus

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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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Readers may be wondering what prompted this thread. Without getting
into details, I will say this: it was provoked by an "anonymous"
emailer.

This was in no way an attack upon any individual. It was, however, the
only way I could respond to the emailer with something that is not so
much a matter of my personal opinion as it is a matter of "the way it
is".

All I wish to say is that contrary to what some may hold "true", the
iatroepidemic is not over in the USA. Ending certain tangents have been
*made* possible by removing certain defective materials from the market.

Is my "job" over? I don't know... I don't think it is unless I want it
to be. I have nothing more to add to this thread. Thanks to Amatus for
his participation.

Webby


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Laskin



In article <vMslj.130$Ej5.30[at]newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> ,
"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote:

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Aha !

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Amatus

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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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In article
<tmjiatroepidemic-DD9986.11073822012008[at]news.phx.highwinds-media.com> ,
The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote:

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I should point out that Dr. Laskin is a maxillofacial surgeon. That
explains some of the question.

Webby

There is good news. Since 1997, this newsgroup has shown a certain
bravery that sets it apart from some other groups facing "the old days
of TMJ". "We" have grown in many positive directions. Back in
1994-1997, smd was a microcosm. I don't think it is so much a microcosm
today in 2008 as it is a place that is unique with regards to the topic
of the TMJ in dentistry and medicine.

This is a compliment to smd; I hope those who care understand that.

Webby

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The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote:

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Amatus had written (context for my reply):

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The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote:

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That, I understand. What I don't understand is why a patient based
advocacy group, tax-exempt no less, with the goal of "educating" the
public about "TMJ" stuff wants to stay in the era that led to the need
for such an organization in the first place!

I don't care what Dr. Laskin "believes". I do care that tax deductible
donations provide a venue for the propagation of such belief to an
unsuspecting public.

He clearly doesn't "believe in TMJ". He believes in TMJism.

Here is part of a post from 1997 (written by me, posted by someone else
for me) that speaks to what I am saying today:

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posted: 1997

"History is not so unlike the present. Ten or more years ago, people
lived in fear that their dentist might find out they attended a "TMJ"
(that's what "it" was called then) support group meeting. Why? They
feared that if their dentists knew they were looking for information
about "TMJ" the dentists wouldn't take care of them any longer. Maybe
this seems like a ludicous statement to new dentists or dental
students in 1996. But you need to trust me on this because it's
true. These patients were almost 100% women and they did what they
were told to do for their TMJ. They were perfect candidates for
classic TMJ. They were Classic TMJ Patients.

I've included the text of an email I received not too long ago to
illustrate that TMJism, a belief that a "classic tmj patient" exists,
is alive and well. A sustained and prolonged belief in Santa Claus
isn't too different. (The idea here being that believing will serve
you well.)

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I replied to that mail as follows:

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Why was that my reply?

1) It was so absurd a comment to be sent to the TMJ Foundation that I
had to believe it actually was intended for another person.
2) If it was intended for me, it was an absolute insult to my
intelligence. This kind of comment might have flown with plenty of
people in the eighties... maybe even the early nineties.... but this
is 1996! If there is truth in the idea that blaming ortho may be a
convenient revenue source for lawyers, just think what kind of a
revenue source The Classic TMJ Patient can be to the dentist.

This kind of power over the patient is completely unacceptable. It is
an abuse of knowledge. It exists and survives because the
"profession" tolerates and in subtle, but powerful, ways protects and
promotes it by not taking a stand against it. How many of you still
stand behind The Classic TMJ Patient belief? This is TMJism."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote:

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Closed mind. So many practitioners are totally stuck in whatever training
they got in school and cannot ever think "outside-the-box".

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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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I can't help but wonder why. Why, why, why?

Webby

In article
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The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote:

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hmmmm.

Webby


In article <lYjlj.112$5K1.89[at]newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> ,
"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote:

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From reading his comments I get the impression that he is firmly stuck in
the early 1980's.


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I understand, completely, how difficult it is for a patient advocacy
group to guide patients; most of whom just want you to tell them what to
do from the standpoint of an advocacy group.

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"The TMJ Association (TMJA) is a patient based advocacy organization,
whose mission is to provide information on Temporomandibular Joint and
Muscle Disorders (TMJDs) to the patients, public and healthcare
professionals. We offer support to those who suffer from TMJDs. We
advocate for basic and clinical scientific research that will eventually
yield the causes of TMJDs, as well as treatments scientifically proven
to be safe and effective. We serve as a national resource center for
TMJDs."

Board of Directors and Scientific Advisors
The TMJ ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS

[others skipped]

CLINICAL ADVISOR

* Daniel M. Laskin, D.D.S., M.S., Virginia Commonwealth University,
Richmond, VA

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I don't understand, given Dr. Laskin's comments, how his comments are
guiding people from the public sector toward investigating a
treatment/management option. It feels, to me, more like guiding the
public away from the option. Given his position within the organization,
should we expect a more complete comment?

Webby


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"Amatus Cremona" <Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote:

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Well,,,,,,,,,,,

Dr. Laskin has a few bits right and a lot of bits wrong.

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"The Webby" <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote in message
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I selected the following excerpts from the TMJ Association's website to
share here in smd because the information is intended to benefit the
public (charitable organization). http://www.tmj.org/

Would anyone care to comment upon Dr. Daniel Laskin's comments about the
NTI-tss?

(I think this is fair use of the website's material given their
"Mission" statement having "the ultimate goal of preventing TMJ
problems".

Is Dr. Laskin's comment reasonable as "an information guide" to the
questions asked about the NTI-tss?

Webby

~~~~
Our Mission

The TMJ Association (TMJA) is a national, non-profit organization whose
mission is to improve the diagnosis, care and treatment of everyone
affected by Temporomandibular Joint and Muscle Disorders (TMJDs) through
fostering research, education and other activities with the ultimate
goal of preventing TMJ problems.


The TMJ Association (TMJA)is a non-profit, 501(c)3 tax exempt
organization.
The TMJA is unable to provide doctor referrals and does not endorse any
particular health care professional or organization. The TMJA presents
the following solely as an information guide to provide TMJ patients
with direction in making health care decisions. The information
contained on this Web site does not constitute medical advice, nor is it
a substitute for medical advice. Always consult with your doctor before
starting any treatment.

http://www.tmj.org/contact.asp

SPLINTS

Question: Does the NTI-tss (Niciceptive Trigeminal Inhibition Tension
Suppression System) work to relieve bruxism and TMJ diseases and
disorders? Are there any concerns regarding treatment with NTI-tss? What
is its effectiveness?

Answer: The basic theory behind the NTI appliance is correct in that it
prevents clenching and grinding by separating the back teeth, which is
the site where such activities generally take place. A full-coverage
stabilization appliance can prevent grinding, but does not prevent
clenching because there is posterior tooth contact. However, since the
NTI appliance fits on only two teeth, it can place a great deal of
stress on these teeth and that can be harmful. Also, because of its
small size, if it comes off during the night, there is danger that it
could be swallowed or aspirated. Finally, because of the small contact
area between it and the lower teeth, it cannot be used in patients with
certain types of malocclusion. (Response by Dr. Daniel Laskin)