Wisdom tooth extraction and ligaments

#38 05-07-2008, 01:29 AM

You related to G. B. Hinckley?

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On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:40:58 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

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>
> Amatus, can they do that? My people don't name saints, they just have
> big funerals with motorcades...
>
> Steve

#37 05-06-2008, 03:52 PM

We have all had patients that use up an hour of chair time for
a 15 minute procedure. If I happen to have a cancellation,
and the convesation is interesting, it's no big deal. On a
regular day, I just don't have time to break down every minute
detail of every treatment. Otherwise, the patient needs to pay
for an hour appointment even though the treatment should be much
less.

Like AC says, you can't get a real understanding of dental disease
or treatment in an hour.

When I had eye surgery following an auto accident in 1994, I didn't
pick apart the ophthamologist. She told me basically what she was
going to do, and I let her do her thing.

Understanding more does not make the outcome any better. You just
have to find a good professional in the first place.

D

Robert wrote:

- quote -

> Thank goodness I am not your patient. The factory dentist used to become
> petulant if I asked too many questions or did research on the internet.
> That should have been a big red flag. Unfortunately I "bowed to his better
> judgement" and look where that got me.

#36 05-06-2008, 01:29 PM

When seeing all of the ridiculous crap about dentistry on the
internet, it sure makes me look at any other 'research' on the
web with a 50 lb. block of salt.

D

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> I bet Robert foudn a Homeopathic site that was trying to justify excesive
> fees for extracting perfectly good teeth with RCT's
>
>
> Amatus
>
> Working on H.E. Kayser, Op 20 right now
>
> <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> news:6tgk14dsf7a4c4n4h3bbcvs7o20qaso0hu[at]4ax.com...
>
> > On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:16:42 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> > <bornfeldmung[at]dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Newbie[at]bix.nex wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:19:51 -0400, "Robert"
> > > > <guyinct17[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I will probably need my upper wisdom teeth extracted soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > I read in a couple of places that the oral surgeon is supposed to use a
> > > > > "burr" to remove the ligaments and the first milimeter or bone in the
> > > > > socket. Is that something that oral surgeons routinely do, or is it
> > > > > something I will need to hunt around for? Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Who told/sold you that wagon full of excrement ?
> > > >
> > > > Routinely remove impacted WTs in my practice.
> > > > There's nothing to it for an experienced surgeon,
> > > > and rarely do I ever need to a use a rotary instrument
> > > > for uppers.
> > > >
> > > > Am beginning to think that "Robert" is a troll in the 'classic' sense.
> > > >
> > > > We may have been had, gentlemen.
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't know your dental school vintage, Newbie. We actually were told
> > > to curet the sockets esp. of teeth with molars. The alleged problem was
> > > PDL tissue containing epithelial rests, which I suppose were supposedly
> > > going to magically transform into cysts. Of course we were also
> > > culturing root canals back then.
> > > Robert--I think it's time to get off the web--newbie is right.
> > > Curetting (much less rotary instrumentation) is hogwash--extra pain,
> > > delayed healing and additional trauma for nothing.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> >
> > They didn't exactly teach us impaction removal in DS '84
> >
> > Learned from a couple of good surgeons after graduation.
> >
> > If there is a follicle, I remove it with a curved hemo.
> > really simple, and the PDL comes with the tooth.
> >
> > There really is no need to currette the WT crypt, unless
> > it is filled wth lots of granulation tissue, even then, using
> > a sharp periosteal and a curved mosquito are still the
> > best instruments for the task IMO.
>
>
>

#35 05-04-2008, 06:49 PM

No offense Robert, but you are researching things that you cannot get a
"grasp" on in less than a few years of study. Your small tid-bits of
knowledge gained this way are messing you up more than helping. Any patient
coming into my office trying to micro-manage his care, gets referred down
the street. I love teaching my patients about what I do and why, but they
don't need to know the histiologic basis of basic healing processes.

Find a dental office you trust and settle back and enjoy the ride. You will
be much better off.

--
/

Amatus

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> <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> news:kqop1454b5qospsi2ntvv3a61e9mi74op2[at]4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 3 May 2008 14:58:39 -0400, "Robert"
> >
> > The problem is that you, Robert, are not a dentist,
> > *AND* you "don't think".
> >
> > Frakking moron.
>
> Thank goodness I am not your patient. The factory dentist used to become
> petulant if I asked too many questions or did research on the internet.
> That should have been a big red flag. Unfortunately I "bowed to his better
> judgement" and look where that got me.
>
>
>
>
>

#34 05-04-2008, 06:46 PM

pedagogue

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/

Amatus

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"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <bornfeldmung[at]dentaltwins.com> wrote in message
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> Amatus Cremona wrote:
> > I bet Robert foudn a Homeopathic site that was trying to justify excesive
> > fees for extracting perfectly good teeth with RCT's
> >
> >
> > Amatus
> >
> > Working on H.E. Kayser, Op 20 right now
>
>
> Can't says I knows 'im. At least you play an instrument that was written
> for by composers people have heard of. Was Kayser a pedagogue, or did he
> write concert music?
>
> Steve
> >
>
> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
> http://www.dentaltwins.com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001

#33 05-04-2008, 06:45 PM

I'll be at the airport to pick up the two of you no matter what.

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/

Amatus

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> On Sat, 3 May 2008 11:27:52 -0400, "Amatus Cremona"
> <nicola[at]..amanti.com> wrote:
>
> > This will potentially occur near the Amish :-)
> >
> > AC
>
>
> As long as you and a fine bottle of single malt are there...
> include me in.
>
> Of course SB gotta be there too.
>
> Forget that tractor comment, you are going to need
> a draft horse and a barn.

#32 05-03-2008, 11:43 PM

<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 3 May 2008 14:58:39 -0400, "Robert"
>
> The problem is that you, Robert, are not a dentist,
> *AND* you "don't think".
>
> Frakking moron.

Thank goodness I am not your patient. The factory dentist used to become
petulant if I asked too many questions or did research on the internet.
That should have been a big red flag. Unfortunately I "bowed to his better
judgement" and look where that got me.

#31 05-03-2008, 10:16 PM

On Sat, 3 May 2008 14:58:39 -0400, "Robert"
<guyinct17[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

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> "Amatus Cremona" <nicola[at]..amanti.com> wrote in message
> news:_fidnU4kvNUaHoHVnZ2dnUVZ_vmlnZ2d[at]wideopenwest.com...
> > I bet Robert foudn a Homeopathic site that was trying to justify excesive
> > fees for extracting perfectly good teeth with RCT's
>
> Nope. Just was asking about normal wisdom tooth extraction. Don't think
> there is any point in doing an RCT on a wisdom tooth.
>

Depends on the case.
If 1st and 2nd molars are missing, a second or first bicuspid or both
are missing the WT especially on the lower becomes very important.

The problem is that you, Robert, are not a dentist,
*AND* you "don't think".

Frakking moron.

#30 05-03-2008, 06:58 PM

"Amatus Cremona" <nicola[at]..amanti.com> wrote in message
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- quote -

> I bet Robert foudn a Homeopathic site that was trying to justify excesive
> fees for extracting perfectly good teeth with RCT's

Nope. Just was asking about normal wisdom tooth extraction. Don't think
there is any point in doing an RCT on a wisdom tooth.

#29 05-03-2008, 06:36 PM

Amatus Cremona wrote:
- quote -

> I bet Robert foudn a Homeopathic site that was trying to justify excesive
> fees for extracting perfectly good teeth with RCT's
>
>
> Amatus
>
> Working on H.E. Kayser, Op 20 right now

Can't says I knows 'im. At least you play an instrument that was
written for by composers people have heard of. Was Kayser a pedagogue,
or did he write concert music?

Steve
- quote -

>

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

#28 05-03-2008, 04:41 PM

On Sat, 3 May 2008 11:27:52 -0400, "Amatus Cremona"
<nicola[at]..amanti.com> wrote:

- quote -

> This will potentially occur near the Amish :-)
>
> AC

As long as you and a fine bottle of single malt are there...
include me in.

Of course SB gotta be there too.

Forget that tractor comment, you are going to need
a draft horse and a barn.

#27 05-03-2008, 03:30 PM

They would have to declare that were converted at the moment of death.

AC

Ugh, back to 4th position studies

"Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Robert wrote:
> > <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> > news:a2dl14tdb8i5s6ljqm15ntaalavqjk64s1[at]4ax.com...
> > > SB, you have the patience of a saint.
> > > Any way for me to nominate you for that title ?
> >
> > I agree. SB is Da Man!
> >
> >
>
>
> Amatus, can they do that? My people don't name saints, they just have big
> funerals with motorcades...
>
> Steve

#26 05-03-2008, 03:27 PM

This will potentially occur near the Amish :-)

AC

<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 02 May 2008 09:04:58 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
> <dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Newbie[at]bix.nex wrote:
> > > On Thu, 01 May 2008 23:12:41 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
> > > <dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> > > > > news:6tgk14dsf7a4c4n4h3bbcvs7o20qaso0hu[at]4ax.com...
> > > > > > They didn't exactly teach us impaction removal in DS '84
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Learned from a couple of good surgeons after graduation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there is a follicle, I remove it with a curved hemo.
> > > > > > really simple, and the PDL comes with the tooth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There really is no need to currette the WT crypt, unless
> > > > > > it is filled wth lots of granulation tissue, even then, using
> > > > > > a sharp periosteal and a curved mosquito are still the
> > > > > > best instruments for the task IMO.
> > > > > Ok, so it sounds to me like removing the ligament tissue is not a bad
> > > > > thing,
> > > > > and no one really knows what ultimately becomes of it, so why not just
> > > > > remove the stuff routinely? Seems like a no-lose precaution, at least
> > > > > to a
> > > > > non-professional.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > As I said, it is normally attached to the root. If there is extensive
> > > > granulation or other soft tissue, it usually can be picked out pretty
> > > > easily as newbie said. Usually these are teeth with long-standing,
> > > > chronic infections. Often the granulation is adherent to the root as
> > > > well.
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, and stated so well.
> > >
> > > Took a #17 out today, pericoronitis, profuse granulation tissue
> > > around the crown, and a 1mm thick follicle remnant from buccal
> > > groove to lingual groove, distal aspect.
> > > The follicle came with the tooth as did the PDL.
> > > Removed all remaining granulation tissue by the technic previously
> > > described. 3/0 gut X2.
> > >
> > > SB, you have the patience of a saint.
> > > Any way for me to nominate you for that title ?
> > >
> > > No matter, would really love to share a steak dinner,
> > > with fine single malt, lobster on the side, and NY Cheesecake
> > > dessert with you and Amatus.
> > >
> > > Is there any chance we can put this together ?
> > > If we all chose the same C-ED course we can meet
> > > anywhere in the USA...
> >
> >
> > Really should be able to. I've almost never done any real traveling
> > for CE hours, but I'd do it to visit--Marie's always talking about going
> > back to Michigan. Biggest problem is the kid's schedule--a week here, a
> > week there--but still should be able to work something out--I hope.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> Since you mentioned Michigan, and I want Amatus to fix #'s 19 and 31..
>
> Summer Solstice anyone ?
>
> If we are able to agree on a time and place, I will be there and buy
> us all dinner, drinks, and dessert.

#25 05-03-2008, 03:23 PM

I bet Robert foudn a Homeopathic site that was trying to justify excesive
fees for extracting perfectly good teeth with RCT's

Amatus

Working on H.E. Kayser, Op 20 right now

<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
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- quote -

> On Thu, 01 May 2008 17:16:42 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldmung[at]dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
> > Newbie[at]bix.nex wrote:
> > > On Thu, 1 May 2008 00:19:51 -0400, "Robert"
> > > <guyinct17[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I will probably need my upper wisdom teeth extracted soon.
> > > >
> > > > I read in a couple of places that the oral surgeon is supposed to use a
> > > > "burr" to remove the ligaments and the first milimeter or bone in the
> > > > socket. Is that something that oral surgeons routinely do, or is it
> > > > something I will need to hunt around for? Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Who told/sold you that wagon full of excrement ?
> > >
> > > Routinely remove impacted WTs in my practice.
> > > There's nothing to it for an experienced surgeon,
> > > and rarely do I ever need to a use a rotary instrument
> > > for uppers.
> > >
> > > Am beginning to think that "Robert" is a troll in the 'classic' sense.
> > >
> > > We may have been had, gentlemen.
> >
> >
> > Don't know your dental school vintage, Newbie. We actually were told
> > to curet the sockets esp. of teeth with molars. The alleged problem was
> > PDL tissue containing epithelial rests, which I suppose were supposedly
> > going to magically transform into cysts. Of course we were also
> > culturing root canals back then.
> > Robert--I think it's time to get off the web--newbie is right.
> > Curetting (much less rotary instrumentation) is hogwash--extra pain,
> > delayed healing and additional trauma for nothing.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> They didn't exactly teach us impaction removal in DS '84
>
> Learned from a couple of good surgeons after graduation.
>
> If there is a follicle, I remove it with a curved hemo.
> really simple, and the PDL comes with the tooth.
>
> There really is no need to currette the WT crypt, unless
> it is filled wth lots of granulation tissue, even then, using
> a sharp periosteal and a curved mosquito are still the
> best instruments for the task IMO.

#24 05-02-2008, 11:58 PM

On Fri, 2 May 2008 18:59:19 -0400, "Robert"
<guyinct17[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

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> <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> news:a3sm14lc6i5tuilimknr80d32c00tf0dgf[at]4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:46:19 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
> > Durgin Park, a fine place to eat lobster.
>
> Correction: Durgin Park WAS a fine place to eat lobster. It is now a
> factory-style tourist trap relying on its past reputation. Saying that the
> food is mediocre would be generous.
>
>
>
>
Good to know, I was about 8 or 9 at the time.

#23 05-02-2008, 10:59 PM

<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
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- quote -

> On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:46:19 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
> Durgin Park, a fine place to eat lobster.

Correction: Durgin Park WAS a fine place to eat lobster. It is now a
factory-style tourist trap relying on its past reputation. Saying that the
food is mediocre would be generous.

#22 05-02-2008, 08:06 PM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:46:19 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

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> > Gall dern Yankees.
>
> You're not a Boston fan, are ya?

When do they play the Cowboys ?
Looking forward to that game !
How 'bout them Mets ? They still suck right ?

Actually lived in Boston for a season.

Paul Revere, dentist, silversmith, dinnerware supplier ?
Heard something about laterns and a horse.
One, Two.. Land, Sea.. Hike !
Old North Church...
And just where is "Old Iron Sides" moored ?
Is it any where near Plymouth Rock ?
Wasn't there a cracked bell in there somewhere ?
Mebbe that was Philly...

Durgin Park, a fine place to eat lobster.
And there was Cape Cod and all that huey...

Would have to look that other stuff up.

#21 05-02-2008, 06:50 PM

"Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote in message
- quote -

> You're not a Boston fan, are ya? Not many New Englanders here.

Na - more a Yankees fan. Of course, in South-West Connecticut a lotta Mets
fans too because of the now teamless Bobby Valentine.

Me, I'll take a good NFL game over BB anyday.

#20 05-02-2008, 06:07 PM

On Fri, 02 May 2008 13:40:58 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

- quote -

> Robert wrote:
> > <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> > news:a2dl14tdb8i5s6ljqm15ntaalavqjk64s1[at]4ax.com...
> > > SB, you have the patience of a saint.
> > > Any way for me to nominate you for that title ?
> >
> > I agree. SB is Da Man!
> >
> >
>
>
> Amatus, can they do that? My people don't name saints, they just have
> big funerals with motorcades...
>
> Steve

Those as you described are only for high level whacked mafiosi.

Or not.

<hehe>

#19 05-02-2008, 05:46 PM

Newbie[at]bix.nex wrote:
- quote -

> On Fri, 2 May 2008 12:37:00 -0400, "Robert"
> <guyinct17[at]NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> > news:a2dl14tdb8i5s6ljqm15ntaalavqjk64s1[at]4ax.com...
> > > SB, you have the patience of a saint.
> > > Any way for me to nominate you for that title ?
> > I agree. SB is Da Man!
> >
>
> OK Roberto, youse a guy in Cuntneticut, eh ?
> Gall dern Yankees.

You're not a Boston fan, are ya? Not many New Englanders here.
Whatever happened to Charle Ruff?
Don't know much about NE CT. In a prior life I had a GF in New Haven.
My old bike club had weekends occasionally in Litchfield County, which
was pretty brutal when I wasn't in shape.

Steve

- quote -

> Have a bit of history in the NE quad.
>
> Gonna give you a break, sonny boy.
>
> Don't be a wanker, and I'll be nice and
> answer your questions to the best of my ability.
>
> Amatus and me have sat down face to face more
> than once. He may tell you that my ng persona is
> much different than IRL. He would be speaking truth.
>
> Capisci ?

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