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| Here's my 2¢, On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:15:01 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > I think I'm
Free people are always entitled to 'their' opinions.> entitled to a few opinions. Free people are also entitled to ignore other's opinions. - quote - > Decision-making under uncertainty is a bitch.
A beautiful non-sequitur, may I quote you ?Your command of the English language is certainly breath-taking. Do you also routinely use the term "ho" ? Would prefer the term "during" instead of "under", but then again, would have followed up with something better than quoting a cartoon character. <Popeye> How about: "but it is the choices that one makes under duress that defines character" ? Decisions are routinely made without all the facts, and are readily emended as new information becomes available. - quote - > You pays your money and you takes your choice.
Thought it was: "...you takes yer *chances* " <Popeye voice> - quote - >
Are you implying that "somebody" actually deserves your snottiness ?> I'm not usually this snotty unless somebody seems to deserve it. Or was it snootiness that you meant ? And whom may that somebody or someone be ? Specifically. - quote - >
No 'cheers' for you today.> -- > Cheers, Bev However you may have a future in 'gangsta rap'. - quote - > =========================================
....brother playing your...> "Welcome to Hell, here's your - quote - > accordion." |
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| The Webby wrote: - quote - > In article <xVSjk.1013$3l5.995[at]newsfe06.iad> ,
Huh? I'm in Los Angeles.> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Information about Los Algodones dentistry. I also share what I've > > > > > learned. This is how usenet works. Do you have some other idea? > > > > > > I especially liked the part where you told me how usenet works. > > > > Sorry to have offended, but you did ask, you know. Is this a variant on > > the bear story? "You aren't really here for the hunting, are you?" If > > not, what did your question REALLY mean? > > *If* you're in St. Louis, why do you want to travel to Mexico for dental > care? -- Cheers, Bev ================================================== ======== "It's no piece of cake, but it sure beats listening to Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor." - Jesse Helms describing heart surgery |
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| In article <xVSjk.1013$3l5.995[at]newsfe06.iad> , The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > > > >
*If* you're in St. Louis, why do you want to travel to Mexico for dental> > > > Information about Los Algodones dentistry. I also share what I've > > > > learned. This is how usenet works. Do you have some other idea? > > > > I especially liked the part where you told me how usenet works. > > Sorry to have offended, but you did ask, you know. Is this a variant on > the bear story? "You aren't really here for the hunting, are you?" If > not, what did your question REALLY mean? care? I really don't have anything to offer. Webby |
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| The Webby wrote: - quote - > The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote:
Sorry to have offended, but you did ask, you know. Is this a variant on> > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Webby wrote: > > > > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > ... > > > > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > > > > > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > > > > > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > > > > > back one way or the other. > > > > > > > > What are you really looking to find here? > > > > > > Information about Los Algodones dentistry. I also share what I've > > > learned. This is how usenet works. Do you have some other idea? > > I especially liked the part where you told me how usenet works. the bear story? "You aren't really here for the hunting, are you?" If not, what did your question REALLY mean? -- Cheers, Bev ------------------------------------- "If the Eskimos have a thousand different words for "snow," does this mean the French have a thousand different words for "surrender?" |
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| In article <tmjiatroepidemic-976BD4.20404329072008[at]news.west.cox.net> , The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <p3Qjk.3774$Bt6.443[at]newsfe04.iad> ,
I especially liked the part where you told me how usenet works. And,> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Webby wrote: > > > > > In article <Kxujk.825$3l5.591[at]newsfe06.iad> , > > > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > ... > > > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > > > > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > > > > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > > > > back one way or the other. > > > > > > What are you really looking to find here? > > > > Information about Los Algodones dentistry. I also share what I've > > learned. This is how usenet works. Do you have some other idea? no. I have no other ideas. |
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| In article <p3Qjk.3774$Bt6.443[at]newsfe04.iad> , The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > The Webby wrote:
If you prefer to get dental care in Mexico, go ahead. I for one have no> > > In article <Kxujk.825$3l5.591[at]newsfe06.iad> , > > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > ... > > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > > > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > > > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > > > back one way or the other. > > > > What are you really looking to find here? > > Information about Los Algodones dentistry. I also share what I've > learned. This is how usenet works. Do you have some other idea? interest in reading what you have to share about what you learn. Webby |
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| In article <A8Qjk.3350$QX3.3093[at]newsfe02.iad> , The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - >
Ok.> I'm not usually this snotty unless somebody seems to deserve it. Webby |
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| The Webby wrote: - quote - > The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote:
I don't do websites, but I expect that people who do are at the very> > > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > > > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > > > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > > > back one way or the other. > > Websites are important. So how much do you charge for a "website"? least competent at it. If you're advertising a product, it would seem that smart people would make it easy for potential customers to find out about what you're selling. Stupid people make it difficult. I'd rather not deal with stupid people. Not that a good website means a good product, but after spending far more time on the internet than is sensible for 14 years, I think I'm entitled to a few opinions. Decision-making under uncertainty is a bitch. You pays your money and you takes your choice. I'm not usually this snotty unless somebody seems to deserve it. -- Cheers, Bev ========================================= "Welcome to Hell, here's your accordion." |
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| The Webby wrote: - quote - > In article <Kxujk.825$3l5.591[at]newsfe06.iad> ,
Information about Los Algodones dentistry. I also share what I've> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: .... > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > > back one way or the other. > > What are you really looking to find here? learned. This is how usenet works. Do you have some other idea? -- Cheers, Bev ========================================= "Welcome to Hell, here's your accordion." |
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| In article <tmjiatroepidemic-CBF21D.18425828072008[at]news.west.cox.net> , The Webby <tmjiatroepidemic[at]cox.net> wrote: - quote - > In article <Kxujk.825$3l5.591[at]newsfe06.iad> ,
Websites are important. So how much do you charge for a "website"?> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > > back one way or the other. Webby |
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| In article <Kxujk.825$3l5.591[at]newsfe06.iad> , The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet[at]gmail.com> wrote: - quote - > Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote:
What are you really looking to find here?> > > The Real Bev wrote: > > > > Husband needs implants. His sister and her lawyer husband have been > > > happy with a dentist in Los Algodones and, given our experiences with > > > "reputable" dentists, I don't think we have much to lose. Their dentist > > > won't be back until September and we'd all like to get started sooner > > > than that. > > > > > > Has anybody had good experiences there? The websites are interesting, > > > of course, but recommendations are better. > > > > Most states will require that a dentist furnish copies (not originals) > > of treatment records, including x-rays. Usually they are permitted a > > "reasonable" fee for records duplication. > > Thanks, I gotta think about whether I want to do that or not -- I think > it's equivalent to mentioning small claims court. I should have asked > while I was there... > > I did just get a printout of their treatment plan: $13,450 and all I > wanted was a cleaning! Is tooth-numbering standard? I might have > problems in #4, 6, 7, 14 and something called "cerec onlay 3 surf ODB" > on #29 for $700. Since I have only 28 teeth (orthodontia and wisdom > teeth missing), I have to wonder... > > > Patient experiences with dentures can be all over the map. It is > > certainly not unusual for patients to require several adjustments before > > they are comfortable. Many patients never adapt well to dentures > > (especially full lower dentures). > > Your experience at the dental school is likewise common. Some people > > probably shouldn't be in patient care. Treatment at dental schools > > almost always takes a long time. > > I didn't begrudge the time spent with the first kid. Yeah, it hurts to > have your jaw forced open for 4 hours, but the kid told me everything he > was doing, got good grades, and explained why his needling was almost > painless -- you do it slow so the nerve deadens ahead of the needle. He > and Kochevar were the best needlers I've ever had, and the kid may have > been a little better. > > > Obviously, if your sister in law and her husband have been happy--esp. > > if they have extensive experience with these dentists (and you trust > > their judgment) it's a strong recommendation. > > Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of > all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most > professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report > back one way or the other. W. |
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| Mark & Steven Bornfeld wrote: - quote - > The Real Bev wrote:
Thanks, I gotta think about whether I want to do that or not -- I think> > Husband needs implants. His sister and her lawyer husband have been > > happy with a dentist in Los Algodones and, given our experiences with > > "reputable" dentists, I don't think we have much to lose. Their dentist > > won't be back until September and we'd all like to get started sooner > > than that. > > > > Has anybody had good experiences there? The websites are interesting, > > of course, but recommendations are better. > > Most states will require that a dentist furnish copies (not originals) > of treatment records, including x-rays. Usually they are permitted a > "reasonable" fee for records duplication. it's equivalent to mentioning small claims court. I should have asked while I was there... I did just get a printout of their treatment plan: $13,450 and all I wanted was a cleaning! Is tooth-numbering standard? I might have problems in #4, 6, 7, 14 and something called "cerec onlay 3 surf ODB" on #29 for $700. Since I have only 28 teeth (orthodontia and wisdom teeth missing), I have to wonder... - quote - > Patient experiences with dentures can be all over the map. It is
I didn't begrudge the time spent with the first kid. Yeah, it hurts to> certainly not unusual for patients to require several adjustments before > they are comfortable. Many patients never adapt well to dentures > (especially full lower dentures). > Your experience at the dental school is likewise common. Some people > probably shouldn't be in patient care. Treatment at dental schools > almost always takes a long time. have your jaw forced open for 4 hours, but the kid told me everything he was doing, got good grades, and explained why his needling was almost painless -- you do it slow so the nerve deadens ahead of the needle. He and Kochevar were the best needlers I've ever had, and the kid may have been a little better. - quote - > Obviously, if your sister in law and her husband have been happy--esp.
Made appointments with somebody else who will be able to take care of> if they have extensive experience with these dentists (and you trust > their judgment) it's a strong recommendation. all of us, whatever our problems. They have the most professional-looking website, if that counts for anything. I'll report back one way or the other. -- Cheers, Bev ================================================== =========== In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is. |
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| The Real Bev wrote: - quote - > I haven't had one for maybe 10 years since Dr. Kochevar (also USC prof) > retired, but I've gone to three or four incompetents. Last one did a > root canal and a couple of fillings in February 2007 and said I was in > fine shape. His office fouled up the billing, told an outright lie and > may have damaged one of my husband's teeth ("Oops, I shouldn't have done > that") while extracting its neighbor, so we're not going back there. We > don't know anybody with a dentist they're happy with. > > A new place opened up nearby with the latest hi-tech equipment, so I > gave it a shot. They say I need a cleaning, a root planing, and > antibiotic treatment for 4 teeth (total cost $~350). THEN I need 4 > crowns and an onlay and one of the teeth is cracked -- total bill around > $5K. They advertised cleaning, exam and x-rays for $39, but they're not > willing to give me just the cleaning. > > All this in a year? Either the previous guy was grossly incompetent or > the new people are maximizing revenue generation or both. Am I out of > line to request a copy of the digital x-rays and photos? I'll be happy > to provide them with a disk and call it square. > > A friend had a denture made 6 months ago. He's been back for 3 or 4 > adjustments (has to take a day off work for each) and the edge has > rubbed raw the top of the area between the gum and upper lip -- it even > hurts when he scratches his nose. > > We're retired, have no dental insurance and write a check for whatever > work we have done, but it seems like we're getting no better care than > welfare patients at a free clinic. > > Long ago I had a lot of work done at the USC dental school. The first > student was wonderful, amazingly painless and got As and B+s on my > teeth. I went back several years later and was given a jerk ("No, you > have to stick with the guy you started with") who took a whole morning > to make "a good start" on cleaning my teeth, and managed to cause > incredible amounts of pain. He got Cs and unless he's the only dentist > in a 500-mile radius he's probably dishing out fries at McD's. Both > processes took forever. > > Husband needs implants. His sister and her lawyer husband have been > happy with a dentist in Los Algodones and, given our experiences with > "reputable" dentists, I don't think we have much to lose. Their dentist > won't be back until September and we'd all like to get started sooner > than that. > > Has anybody had good experiences there? The websites are interesting, > of course, but recommendations are better. > Most states will require that a dentist furnish copies (not originals) of treatment records, including x-rays. Usually they are permitted a "reasonable" fee for records duplication. Patient experiences with dentures can be all over the map. It is certainly not unusual for patients to require several adjustments before they are comfortable. Many patients never adapt well to dentures (especially full lower dentures). Your experience at the dental school is likewise common. Some people probably shouldn't be in patient care. Treatment at dental schools almost always takes a long time. Obviously, if your sister in law and her husband have been happy--esp. if they have extensive experience with these dentists (and you trust their judgment) it's a strong recommendation. Good luck, Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 |
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| I haven't had one for maybe 10 years since Dr. Kochevar (also USC prof) retired, but I've gone to three or four incompetents. Last one did a root canal and a couple of fillings in February 2007 and said I was in fine shape. His office fouled up the billing, told an outright lie and may have damaged one of my husband's teeth ("Oops, I shouldn't have done that") while extracting its neighbor, so we're not going back there. We don't know anybody with a dentist they're happy with. A new place opened up nearby with the latest hi-tech equipment, so I gave it a shot. They say I need a cleaning, a root planing, and antibiotic treatment for 4 teeth (total cost $~350). THEN I need 4 crowns and an onlay and one of the teeth is cracked -- total bill around $5K. They advertised cleaning, exam and x-rays for $39, but they're not willing to give me just the cleaning. All this in a year? Either the previous guy was grossly incompetent or the new people are maximizing revenue generation or both. Am I out of line to request a copy of the digital x-rays and photos? I'll be happy to provide them with a disk and call it square. A friend had a denture made 6 months ago. He's been back for 3 or 4 adjustments (has to take a day off work for each) and the edge has rubbed raw the top of the area between the gum and upper lip -- it even hurts when he scratches his nose. We're retired, have no dental insurance and write a check for whatever work we have done, but it seems like we're getting no better care than welfare patients at a free clinic. Long ago I had a lot of work done at the USC dental school. The first student was wonderful, amazingly painless and got As and B+s on my teeth. I went back several years later and was given a jerk ("No, you have to stick with the guy you started with") who took a whole morning to make "a good start" on cleaning my teeth, and managed to cause incredible amounts of pain. He got Cs and unless he's the only dentist in a 500-mile radius he's probably dishing out fries at McD's. Both processes took forever. Husband needs implants. His sister and her lawyer husband have been happy with a dentist in Los Algodones and, given our experiences with "reputable" dentists, I don't think we have much to lose. Their dentist won't be back until September and we'd all like to get started sooner than that. Has anybody had good experiences there? The websites are interesting, of course, but recommendations are better. -- Cheers, Bev ================================================== =================== A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? |
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