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Old 09-03-2008, 07:47 AM
kris-polanowski
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Default Re: Ozone in root canal (redux)

On Sep 2, 7:22*pm, "Robert" <guyinctREMOV...[at]REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
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> "kris-polanowski" wrote in message
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> news:318243b3-6439-496e-8166-dd5970902b46[at]2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Sep 1, 4:21 pm, "Robert" *wrote:
> > > A friend forwarded me an article that advocates ozone straight on for
> > > root
> > > canal. See page 4 in particular. Are their points valid? Is this a useful
> > > tool?

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> > > http://www.toxinfreesmile.com/images...20Oxygen%20Ozo....

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> > > Note that the web site pointing to it does not appear to be the authorof
> > > the article.

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> > ozne could be helpfull but IT is NOT any significant innovation.
> > Shortly there *is not any *problem to get good results without it.
> > For ozone - it is extra equipment additional for office . In this case
> > there is NOT any maschines and equipment to exchange quality of handy
> > dentists job.
> > I am sure there is a lot of dentists who get excellent results of
> > treatment without ozone )

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> Thanks Kris. David Smith said "Based on kris-polanowski's experience". *What
> were your experiences with ozone? *Sounds like you tried it but gave itup?
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> Yes, dentists get excellent results, but even the best dentist cannot get
> rid of all the microbia.- Hide quoted text -
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We checked results very closely before Ozone arrived to USA. There was
discussion 4-5 years ago on sci.med after Holmes and Kavo performed
this toy )
Some task desinfaction for caries (- presently most of bonding
systems has anybacterial factors - I dont see big advantages of Ozone.
regards kris Polanowski DDS
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:13 PM
dlzc
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Default Re: Ozone in root canal (redux)

Dear Robert:

On Sep 2, 10:22*am, "Robert" <guyinctREMOV...[at]REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
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> "kris-polanowski" wrote in message
....
> > ozne could be helpfull but IT is NOT any
> > significant innovation. Shortly there *is not
> > any *problem to get good results without it.
> > For ozone - it is extra equipment additional
> > for office . In this case there is NOT any
> > maschines and equipment to exchange
> > quality of handy dentists job. I am sure
> > there is a lot of dentists who get excellent
> > results of treatment without ozone )

>
> Thanks Kris. David Smith said "Based on
> kris-polanowski's experience". *What
> were your experiences with ozone?
> *Sounds like you tried it but gave it up?


Not to answer for Kris...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...4532f2d7587172

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> Yes, dentists get excellent results, but even
> the best dentist cannot get rid of all the
> microbia.


.... without killing the patient...

David A. Smith
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:22 PM
Robert
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Default Re: Ozone in root canal (redux)

"kris-polanowski" wrote in message
news:318243b3-6439-496e-8166-dd5970902b46[at]2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
- quote -

> On Sep 1, 4:21 pm, "Robert" wrote:
> > A friend forwarded me an article that advocates ozone straight on for
> > root
> > canal. See page 4 in particular. Are their points valid? Is this a useful
> > tool?
> >
> > http://www.toxinfreesmile.com/images...20Oxygen%20Ozo...
> >
> > Note that the web site pointing to it does not appear to be the author of
> > the article.

>
> ozne could be helpfull but IT is NOT any significant innovation.
> Shortly there is not any problem to get good results without it.
> For ozone - it is extra equipment additional for office . In this case
> there is NOT any maschines and equipment to exchange quality of handy
> dentists job.
> I am sure there is a lot of dentists who get excellent results of
> treatment without ozone )


Thanks Kris. David Smith said "Based on kris-polanowski's experience". What
were your experiences with ozone? Sounds like you tried it but gave it up?

Yes, dentists get excellent results, but even the best dentist cannot get
rid of all the microbia.


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Old 09-02-2008, 03:01 PM
dlzc
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Default Re: Ozone in root canal (redux)

Dear Robert:

On Sep 1, 7:21*am, "Robert" <guyinctREMOV...[at]REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
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> A friend forwarded me an article that advocates ozone
> straight on for root canal. See page 4 in particular.
> *Are their points valid? Is this a useful tool?
>

<snipping link now broken by Google.Groups>

Let's see if I can ferret them out:
"same antimicrobial activity as 2.5 percent sodium hypochlorite with
none of the toxicity." True. It also does not liberate chlorine gas
into the workspace, but it will liberate ozone gas. Works faster than
NaOCl too (not that anyone pours bleach into someone's mouth, Proof
against more types of organisms too.

Poorly cited article...
"metabolic activity in the associated fibroblasts was high with
exposure to ozonated water" Probably true. Ozone induces
inflammation, which is increased blood flow. "Indicative of
healing"... sounds like salemen's doublespeak but might be a
conclusion of the article.

"infections make positive charges, ozone can carry negative charge"...
pure codswallop. Anaerobic bacteria produce regions of low / no
dissolved oxygen, and of course no ozone. Diffusion handles the
rest. In the process of making ozone, if the molecule does not get
rid of the extra electron, it stops being ozone. It *is* a polar
molecule however...

Introduction of ozonated olive oil into an open tooth, carried on the
file... bad idea. Almost as bad as injecting olive oil
intravenously. Better to have them rinsed with ozonated water.

Blowing ozone gas into the open tooth: total waste of time, and
hazardous to both the patient and the professional staff in the room.
Increasing the pressure impacts more stuff deeper in the tooth.
Better to pull a vaccuum, or cycle with some ozonated water followed
by vaccum a few times.

I *like* the idea of not waiting for a chemical supplier, or waiting
for the bill, or browsing for the "next big thing", and there is
nothing ozone won't destroy and do it faster than competing chemicals,
and there is less risk of an immune system response (allergy). But
the procedures still (apparently) have to be worked out, and there is
little support in literature for its use... yet.

Based on kris-polanowski's experience, it may be a solution waiting
for a problem.

David A. Smith
(neither making, selling, nor making a profit from ozone, and not a
dentist.)
 
Old 09-02-2008, 01:13 PM
kris-polanowski
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Default Re: Ozone in root canal (redux)

On Sep 1, 4:21*pm, "Robert" <guyinctREMOV...[at]REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
- quote -

> A friend forwarded me an article that advocates ozone straight on for root
> canal. See page 4 in particular. *Are their points valid? Is this a useful
> tool?
>
> http://www.toxinfreesmile.com/images...20Oxygen%20Ozo...
>
> Note that the web site pointing to it does not appear to be the author of
> the article.


ozne could be helpfull but IT is NOT any significant innovation.
Shortly there is not any problem to get good results without it.
For ozone - it is extra equipment additional for office . In this case
there is NOT any maschines and equipment to exchange quality of handy
dentists job.
I am sure there is a lot of dentists who get excellent results of
treatment without ozone )

regards kris -Polanowski
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Old 09-01-2008, 02:21 PM
Robert
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Default Ozone in root canal (redux)

A friend forwarded me an article that advocates ozone straight on for root
canal. See page 4 in particular. Are their points valid? Is this a useful
tool?

http://www.toxinfreesmile.com/images...20Practice.pdf

Note that the web site pointing to it does not appear to be the author of
the article.





 

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