On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:43:32 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

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Spreading the wealth around is socialist.

4K for a 40 y.o. who can retire is chump change.
Then again NY has the highest tax rates in the country
and is much more than just "left leaning".

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 05:25:15 -0500, Steven Fawks
<tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:

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Try Mi Tierra, for an excellent meal 24/7

since I have enough
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If that is true, you either have a large inheritance or have
been a very dishonest dentist.

JMO,
Steve

CA-DDS tired of BS wrote:
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Cool.
As licensure rules have been an issue here a long, long time, I don't
see how this is an issue for you now--did you want to come to NY?

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
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Whassamata ? Ain't got the money ?

Where did you pick this up from?

It sounds like ghetto slang , not proper English

I do not need your sympathy either.

About moving back to Europe, yes ,I will do so , since I have enough money
to retire at 40

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:13:14 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
<vaughnsimonHATESSPAM[at]att.FAKE.net> wrote:

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My father was a coalmine foreman. Lots of great stories especially
since they tried to go on strike about every other weekend. He was
actually shot at once since he had to go in regardless of a strike or
not. He went with his .357 and his .308 everyday.

Just think, if the rumors about a secret ballot initiative are true
under a BO administration, how chapped your rear will be. Probably as
chapped as mine.

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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:48:04 -0700, "CA-DDS tired of BS"
<ca_dds[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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In my last year of my OMFS residency I was offered an associate
position in Delaware. Regardless of the NERB exam I had to take the DE
boards. So here I was doing the chief surgical resident routine-
panfacial reconstructions, tumors, cosmetic surgery etc. with glee I
had to retrain myself to do a Class2 amalgam, Class4 composite and a
gold. All of this was so relevent to my career in OMFS. I was the only
one dying for the pathology slides which all 100 took me about 30 secs
of thought.

Newbie[at]bix.nex wrote:
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$4K application fee isn't capitalism. It's state-sponsored extortion.
Sounds pretty socialist to me.

Steve

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"CA-DDS tired of BS" <ca_dds[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yep, protectionism, but it doesn't just happen in dentistry.

When I was growing up in Michigan, my father was in the building trades and a
long-term union member. When things got tough in Michigan, my family was forced
to sell our home and follow the job market to Florida. When we got there, that
same union that my father had supported for decades did everything in its power
to keep my father out of work and punish us for not staying in Michigan "where
we belong".

Guess how much I love unions today?

Vaughn

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I have no knowledge of dental education outside of the US, but I
do know that the current practical board exams and licensing
process from state to state is pretty stupid.

I doubt AC could easily move to Iowa or Minn. instead of somewhere
within his own state, and certainly not Fla. or Texas.

Physicians and RNs do not have to prove they can perform one single
medical procedure (to the board) before getting a license, yet
dentists and hygienists have to pass clinical as well as written
exams.

Pretty ridiculous.

Steve

PS: We went to the Alamo and the river walk yesterday and ate at Casa
del Rio (founded in 1946). Thought about driving to the gulf coast
today, but it's supposed to rain. Aargh.

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:48:04 -0700, "CA-DDS tired of BS"
<ca_dds[at]yahoo.com> wrote:

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Then why not move to Europe ?
Euros worth more than Dollars, at least for now.

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Whassamata ? Ain't got the money ?

Be forewarned, I am an unabashed capitalist.
Funny how the thesaurus only has derogatory synonyms.
Guess it's a socialist thingy.

Sorry, my 'give a damn' is broken.
You'll get no sympathy from me, only ridicule.

Thank you for your reply.

Do you think is anything I could do , besides the boring/expensive 2 year
program?

I wanted to do a specialty , but in some states that doesn't help either.
Not in NY.

It is outrageous that this can happen in the 21st century, Europeans can
move and practice dentistry from one country to another and look at us, 4000
application fee for some states for licensure by credentials.

Isn't that a rip-off ?3000-4000 to get something which should be yours?


"tenthmed" <tenthmed[at]biznet.com> wrote in message
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As every dentist in the USA knows, the licensing procedures in each
state have never been favorable for dentists who want to have the
flexibility to move from state A to state B. There are at least 53
licensing boards in the USA (VI, PR, DC), all with their own peculiar
rules and regulations. These boards are not really solely in place to
help/protect the consumer, but to also protect the already licensed
dentists in their jurisdictions, who the boards mistakenly think fear
competition by an influx of practitioners, especially in climate
friendly states like Florida and Hawaii. I don't get NY though.

Actually, NY had taken an enlightened approach when it scrapped the NERB
in favor of a 1 year AEGD, but apparently has kept its restrictions on
foreign trained (other than Canada) dentists.

California, as you point out, also allows reciprocity or licensing by
credentials now, after many years of restrictive state specific
licensing exams.

If you were a 55 year old physician though, you would only have to pass
one exam at time of internship completion, and then, like the Southwest
Airlines slogan, feel free to move about the country. However, a 55 year
old dentist with 30 years of clinical experience is SOL.

I guess that dentistry, unlike medicine, is practiced differently in
each state.

http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pu...articleid=2524



State dental boards continue to receive pressure from their legislatures to
approve international dental schools that are not CODA-accredited, many
times to address access to care issues.

Last month, the Maine Dental Association and the state's Board of Dental
Examiners temporarily defeated a bill that would have expanded the
requirements for receiving a license to practice dentistry to allow
graduation from a foreign university considered satisfactory to the dental
board. "An Act to Increase Access to Oral Health Care" would also have
removed the requirement that applicants for licensure by endorsement that
are licensed to practice in another state meet Maine's professional
education requirements.

The bill was referred to a joint committee on business, research and
economic development for further study to be completed in early 2008.

Dental boards in California, Minnesota and Florida have received similar
directives.





DOES DENTAL BOARD OF MAINE CARE ABOUT CONSUMERS?



NO , OF COURSE NOT, they atre just afraid of competition , just like NY,
greedy , imoral and

disgusting



"CA-DDS tired of BS" <ca_dds[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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This is a nice web site :

http://overseasdentist.com/




I am a licensed dentist in California , graduated in Europe , got my CA
license 10 years ago , when additional education (2 years) was not required
in this state( I had to pass the horrible bench test exam for foreign DDS
though , passing rate was only 5% and the requirements insane, most foreign
or American school grads would fail that test)

I have also passed the most feared clinical exam at that time - the
California State Board clinical examination, where I met USC , UCLA grads
taking the test 2nd, 3rd or even 4th time. NERB is a joke compared to the
one I had to go through in order to get the CA DDS license.

Imagine that after practicing for 10 years in California, if I want to
move to any other state , I have to do 2 more years of school, regardless of
my US work experience /all the dental examinations I have passed already.

The 2 years advanced standing programs for foreign DDS are EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT TO GET IN , 600 dentists apply, only 15 get in for each program.

Even if I want to work as a dental hygienist in other state, I have to do 2
years of school learning how to clean teeth even though I am a licensed
dentist in CALIFORNIA.How idiotic does that sound?? A California licensed
DDS cannot practice at least hygiene in another state, except Florida


Further more , let's say I become a periodontist ( 3 years of training in
America).

Guess what? If I want to move to NJ, NY and most other states, I have to go
to school again , even though I have American specialty training!!

So I am an American trained periodontist in California, but New York dental
board sends me back to school, even though periodontology is the same in NY
and CA.

This is like having an American trained cardiologist practicing in CA being
sent back to medical school in order to practice in NY .

I am asking the dentists from NY Dental Board: Does that sound right to you?

Furthermore:

Let's say I am a foreign dental school graduate, licensed in CA , specialist
in periodontology (3 years of American school education) and I would like to
practice dental hygiene in NY.

GUESS WHAT ? I have to do two years of dental hygiene school in order to be
licensed as a hygienist in NY ,even though I am an American trained
periodontist in CA

I have a question for NY and other state dental boards.

Are you people in your right mind?

Shame on you,members of NY board of dental examiners ,you are a disgrace to
the profession of dentist in America.You treat your CA colleagues like
animals, not like fellow dentists.

You would allow some dentists to practice in NY after 1 year of residency
without passing a state clinical exam, but you would not allow an American
trained endodontist to do root canals in NY .

You know very well this is bullshit and against common sense, but you do not
give a shit , you are just against any competition and could care less about
consumers.

Dare to explain to me , members of NY Board of Dental Examiners, why an
endodontist , who went for 2-3 years to an AMERICAN endo residency , should
not do RCT's in NY , because he went to dental school in the UK.

He only does RCT's , and he learned how to do them in the US , after he
completed his UK education.

You tell me, greedy , disgraceful members of NY Board of Dental Examiners,
why an US educated periodontist, licensed in CA, cannot be a AT LEAST a
dental hygienist in NY!

I'll make sure that this gets to all NEW YORK legislators, I will show them
how you "protect" NY consumers!


A licensed periodontist in CA cannot be at least a hygienist in your state?
ARE YOU NUTS?Are you out of your mind?


Do you really care about consumers, or all you care about is your own greed
( you do not want anyone to have a slice of the pie , so you crush any
competition)

WAKE UP , American dental boards!

We live in a global economy, you should allow dentists from Europe, UK ,
Australia and New Zealand to practice in USA without going through all the
BS you ask them to go through!

Those countries do not put the American dentists through all that
supplemental 2 year crap you ask UK /European dentists to go through!

Do not worry , greedy members of state dental boards, US will not be
flooded with UK dentists, they make good money in UK .


http://www.pr.com/press-release/32822

Four Out of Five Dentists Favor Universal Dental Licensure: The Wealthy
Dentist Survey


This is also a message for American legislators: end this disgusting greedy
dental board regulations once and for all!! Pass Universal Dental Licensure
legislation!!


http://www.fff.org/freedom/1096d.asp

"Dentists have perennially used licensing laws to drill consumers. Economist
Lawrence Shepard of the University of California at Davis estimates that
unjustified state government restrictions on dental licensing add between 12
and 15 percent to the cost of dental care. The Federal Trade Commission
estimated that unjustified restrictions on dental service cost consumers
$700 million a year. "

"Many state dental associations seem more devoted to wiring the law than to
fixing teeth. "


"Foreign dentists are especially discriminated against by dental licensing
regulations. In most states, it is far easier for a foreign doctor to get a
license to perform bypasses on Americans' hearts than for a foreign dentist
to get a license to fill cavities in Americans' teeth. The FTC concluded
that the restrictive state laws - and the resulting higher prices of dental
care - were a major reason why 20 million Americans have never visited a
dentist"