What is the best dental school in North America? Worldwide?

#23 11-28-2008, 03:23 PM

Oops responded to a very old thread. I had to re-set my newsgroup server
this morning and everything back to September was displayed.

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> <Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
> news:rij6g4hpjnuh75enct1hq6u2l7vajee26e[at]4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:05:21 -0500, Steven Fawks
> > <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > But there are jerks like newbie[at]bix.net who will always look down on an
> > > > European dentists , for example.
> > >
> > > Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European
> > > dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and
> > > he has a little less patience with someone on a rant.
> >
> > Yep, my usenet temperament is a bit quick to ignite.
> > >
> > > > By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here?
> > >
> > > guess so.
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> >
> > Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear.
>
>

#22 11-28-2008, 03:19 PM

If you post a real email address in Usenet, you will get bombarded with
hundreds of spam messages every day.

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> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:05:21 -0500, Steven Fawks
> <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > But there are jerks like newbie[at]bix.net who will always look down on an
> > > European dentists , for example.
> >
> > Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European
> > dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and
> > he has a little less patience with someone on a rant.
>
> Yep, my usenet temperament is a bit quick to ignite.
> >
> > > By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here?
> >
> > guess so.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear.

#21 11-28-2008, 03:18 PM

Having been included on the very edge of the most recent periodic review for
accreditation at my alma mater, I will say it is a very elaborate and
involved process. The accreditation committee insists on the creation of
certain committees and boards within the university and dictates what type
of professional has to sit on them. That is the part I was involved with
most directly. It is a long process that takes about a year to complete.

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> On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:17:20 -0400, tenthmed <tenthmed[at]biznet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the
> > repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the
> > US. IIRC, Temple and NYU were had their accreditation "on probation" in
> > the late 1970's. PENN and Harvard are overrated - in my hands-on, boots
> > on the ground, direct experience.
>
> Suspect that an 'accreditation committee' makes this determination.
> Actually doubt it means much, prolly a donation thingy.
> There a student that transferred from Harvard, said the focus was on
> 'research' and clinical training was lacking there. Hence the move.
> >
> > So which is it. Seems that North Carolina had the "best" rating in the
> > '70's. How about today?
>
> > I say that the US/Canada schools are all the
> > same,
> Nah, that can't be true.
>
> > each with various strengths and weaknesses i.e academics,
> > research, clinical experience, and that ratings are always going to be
> > very subjective.
>
> Agree on that.
> >
> > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same
>
> That can't be true, just by definition.
>
> > - it's the
> > individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and
> > how good he will be.
>
> This is true of any field of study, and any individual.
> However, you cannot decide to have 'talent' , 'good eyesight'
> nor 'good hand-eye co-ordination'.
>
> For example, there are a plethora of wannabe guitar players.
> There are few 'stars' and even fewer 'true masters'.
> Same is true of any musical instrument.
>
> Why would dentistry be any different ?
>
> >
> > Discuss amongst yourselves.
>
> What ?!? you are gonna drop out of the conversation ?

#20 10-27-2008, 01:07 AM

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:50:15 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

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> I was at NYU from 1973-76. I think they may have lowered the
> accreditation status during my first year. It was restored after I left.
> Hey, you don't think....
>
> Steve

Hmmm <G>

#19 10-26-2008, 08:29 PM

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:50:15 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<dentaltwinmung[at]earthlink.net> wrote:

- quote -

> > When I was in the Army from 1972-1974, my CO would not accept anyone
> > being assigned under him who went to NYU. That was the only school he
> > had that policy for.
>
>
> I was at NYU from 1973-76. I think they may have lowered the
> accreditation status during my first year. It was restored after I left.
> Hey, you don't think....
>
> Steve

The plot thickens...

#18 10-26-2008, 08:05 PM

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:51:09 -0400, "Amatus Cremona"
<Nicola[at]sottovocce.com> wrote:

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> I am still getting 250+ spam messages a day on my main email address from
> having posted it on UseNet a few years back. I am thinking of dropping the
> address and the domain name because of it.
>
> --
> /
>
> Amatus

Recommend a throwaway account from yahoo, gmail, etc...

#17 10-26-2008, 02:50 PM

Brian wrote:
- quote -

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:11:22 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
> <bornfeldmung[at]dentaltwins.com> wrote:
>
>
> > True for NYU. The real reasons are clouded in secrecy, but it wasn't
> > really much of a secret. NYU went from a 4-year to a 3-year curriculum
> > the year before I entered. The academic year was lengthened from 9
> > months to 11 months. The graduation requirements remained the same.
> > This still left a 3-month reduction in actual classroom and clinic time,
> > and a large number of students found themselves unable to graduate on
> > time. There was also a transition year where students entered in the
> > middle of the year for a 3 1/2 year curriculum. The clinic quite
> > predictably was overcrowded. This apparently was a brazen attempt to
> > take advantage of federal "capitation" grants that funded the schools
> > for every student enrolled. There was a shortage of patients to fulfill
> > requirements of the bloated enrollment. Added to this was the fact that
> > the University had promised funding for a new building for years, but
> > was in no hurry to come up with the money. The AADS lowered NYU's
> > accreditation status from "full" to "provisional", which was one step
> > removed from pulling their accredidation altogether. This was a not so
> > subtle shove for NYU to come up with the money--which they finally
> > did--but not in time to benefit me.
> > BTW, there was once a brochure hanging in the locker room stating that
> > U. of Michigan had the #1 dental school in the country. There were no
> > other rankings, and the ranking criteria were not given.
> >
> > Steve
>
> What year was that?
>
> When I was in the Army from 1972-1974, my CO would not accept anyone
> being assigned under him who went to NYU. That was the only school he
> had that policy for.

I was at NYU from 1973-76. I think they may have lowered the
accreditation status during my first year. It was restored after I left.
Hey, you don't think....

Steve

#16 10-26-2008, 02:29 AM

CA-DDS tired of BS wrote:

- quote -

> Yes, I asked if he thinks foreign schools are crap , newbie says yes,
> read his postings.

I don't think you really read them. Just heard what you wanted.

JMO,
Steve

#15 10-26-2008, 02:28 AM

Amatus Cremona wrote:
- quote -

> I am still getting 250+ spam messages a day on my main email address from
> having posted it on UseNet a few years back. I am thinking of dropping the
> address and the domain name because of it.
>

Wow! I'm glad I'm not that special.

;-)
Steve

#14 10-26-2008, 02:43 AM

Yes, I asked if he thinks foreign schools are crap , newbie says yes, read
his postings.

"Steven Fawks" <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote in message
news:1224928020_10871[at]news.newsville.com...
- quote -

>
> > But there are jerks like newbie[at]bix.net who will always look down on an
> > European dentists , for example.
>
> Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European
> dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and
> he has a little less patience with someone on a rant.
>
> > By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here?
>
> guess so.
>
> Steve

#13 10-26-2008, 01:53 AM

- quote -

> BTW, there was once a brochure hanging in the locker room stating that
> U. of Michigan had the #1 dental school in the country. There were no
> other rankings, and the ranking criteria were not given.
>

#1 in research and getting prepared for specialty training maybe.

#12 10-26-2008, 01:51 AM

I am still getting 250+ spam messages a day on my main email address from
having posted it on UseNet a few years back. I am thinking of dropping the
address and the domain name because of it.

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Amatus

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<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
news:rij6g4hpjnuh75enct1hq6u2l7vajee26e[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:05:21 -0500, Steven Fawks
> <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > But there are jerks like newbie[at]bix.net who will always look down on an
> > > European dentists , for example.
> >
> > Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European
> > dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and
> > he has a little less patience with someone on a rant.
>
> Yep, my usenet temperament is a bit quick to ignite.
> >
> > > By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here?
> >
> > guess so.
> >
> > Steve
>
>
> Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear.

#11 10-26-2008, 01:23 AM

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:11:22 GMT, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung[at]dentaltwins.com> wrote:

- quote -

> True for NYU. The real reasons are clouded in secrecy, but it wasn't
> really much of a secret. NYU went from a 4-year to a 3-year curriculum
> the year before I entered. The academic year was lengthened from 9
> months to 11 months. The graduation requirements remained the same.
> This still left a 3-month reduction in actual classroom and clinic time,
> and a large number of students found themselves unable to graduate on
> time. There was also a transition year where students entered in the
> middle of the year for a 3 1/2 year curriculum. The clinic quite
> predictably was overcrowded. This apparently was a brazen attempt to
> take advantage of federal "capitation" grants that funded the schools
> for every student enrolled. There was a shortage of patients to fulfill
> requirements of the bloated enrollment. Added to this was the fact that
> the University had promised funding for a new building for years, but
> was in no hurry to come up with the money. The AADS lowered NYU's
> accreditation status from "full" to "provisional", which was one step
> removed from pulling their accredidation altogether. This was a not so
> subtle shove for NYU to come up with the money--which they finally
> did--but not in time to benefit me.
> BTW, there was once a brochure hanging in the locker room stating that
> U. of Michigan had the #1 dental school in the country. There were no
> other rankings, and the ranking criteria were not given.
>
> Steve

What year was that?

When I was in the Army from 1972-1974, my CO would not accept anyone
being assigned under him who went to NYU. That was the only school he
had that policy for.

#10 10-25-2008, 06:00 PM

<Newbie[at]bix.nex> wrote in message
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- quote -

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:26:00 -0400, "John & Ninetta"
> <jsuljak[at]sentex.net> wrote:
>
> > > > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the
> > > individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and
> > > how good he will be.
> >
> > Good point...I completely agree with it.
>
> Think that the above analysis is very simplistic.
> >
> > I think that upon graduation, depending on the strengths of the school,
> > you
> > maybe more skilled in certain aspects of dentistry,
>
>
> > but after 3 months of
> > clinical practice, we are all the same.
>
> Couldn't disagree more.
> You iterated that after 3 months the talented lose their talent,
> and the un-talented suddenly gain talent that they never had ?
>

No, I'm talking about experience. I meant that those with less than average
clinical skills in dental school are exposed to more and more clinical cases
in general practice, so their technical abilities can only improve. It is
after working a while that you gain more confidence, and hopefully realized
your limitations. We begin to differentiate from each other after a bit of
work in the real world, and then "talent" as you call it is what really
separates us after that point.

I draw this comparison as I went to two dental schools, one for my general
DDS and another for graduate training. My office in grad school was in the
senior dental student clinic and was involved in a fair amount of dental
student teaching, so I saw what that second school's dental students were
exposed to. I can honestly state that my training was better in fixed
prosthodontics in that I had at least done a few bridges during my dental
school. At this second school, I watched some students graduate without
doing a fixed bridge on a live patient. I couldn't believe it, but it
happened. At the same time, I only did a handful of cases, which is
probably the average of dental students in Canada, and I admit its not a
whole lot of cases. However, once that kid graduates, I'm sure he'll do a
couple of fixed cases and we'll be pretty much on the same page for fixed
prosthodontics after a few months in terms of fixed prosthodontic
experience.

John

- quote -

> > After that, we each develop our
> > skills/interests that make each of us a little different from one another.
> >
>
> Believe that *all* are unique from conception.
>
> Nature and Nurture shape us in different ways,
> but all individual creatures are 'one offs'.
> Even roaches.
>
> > JMO
> >
> > John
> >
> >

#9 10-25-2008, 05:11 PM

tenthmed wrote:
- quote -

> CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the
> repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the
> US. IIRC, Temple and NYU were had their accreditation "on probation" in
> the late 1970's. PENN and Harvard are overrated - in my hands-on, boots
> on the ground, direct experience.

True for NYU. The real reasons are clouded in secrecy, but it wasn't
really much of a secret. NYU went from a 4-year to a 3-year curriculum
the year before I entered. The academic year was lengthened from 9
months to 11 months. The graduation requirements remained the same.
This still left a 3-month reduction in actual classroom and clinic time,
and a large number of students found themselves unable to graduate on
time. There was also a transition year where students entered in the
middle of the year for a 3 1/2 year curriculum. The clinic quite
predictably was overcrowded. This apparently was a brazen attempt to
take advantage of federal "capitation" grants that funded the schools
for every student enrolled. There was a shortage of patients to fulfill
requirements of the bloated enrollment. Added to this was the fact that
the University had promised funding for a new building for years, but
was in no hurry to come up with the money. The AADS lowered NYU's
accreditation status from "full" to "provisional", which was one step
removed from pulling their accredidation altogether. This was a not so
subtle shove for NYU to come up with the money--which they finally
did--but not in time to benefit me.
BTW, there was once a brochure hanging in the locker room stating that
U. of Michigan had the #1 dental school in the country. There were no
other rankings, and the ranking criteria were not given.

Steve

- quote -

>
> So which is it. Seems that North Carolina had the "best" rating in the
> '70's. How about today? I say that the US/Canada schools are all the
> same, each with various strengths and weaknesses i.e academics,
> research, clinical experience, and that ratings are always going to be
> very subjective.
>
> IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the
> individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and
> how good he will be.
>
> Discuss amongst yourselves.

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

#8 10-25-2008, 04:52 PM

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:05:21 -0500, Steven Fawks
<tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:

- quote -

>
> > But there are jerks like newbie[at]bix.net who will always look down on an
> > European dentists , for example.
>
> Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European
> dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and
> he has a little less patience with someone on a rant.

Yep, my usenet temperament is a bit quick to ignite.
- quote -

>
> > By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here?
>
> guess so.
>
> Steve

Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear.

#7 10-25-2008, 04:44 PM

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:26:00 -0400, "John & Ninetta"
<jsuljak[at]sentex.net> wrote:

- quote -

> > > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the
> > individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and
> > how good he will be.
>
> Good point...I completely agree with it.

Think that the above analysis is very simplistic.
- quote -

>
> I think that upon graduation, depending on the strengths of the school, you
> maybe more skilled in certain aspects of dentistry,

- quote -

> but after 3 months of
> clinical practice, we are all the same.

Couldn't disagree more.
You iterated that after 3 months the talented lose their talent,
and the un-talented suddenly gain talent that they never had ?

- quote -

> After that, we each develop our
> skills/interests that make each of us a little different from one another.
>

Believe that *all* are unique from conception.

Nature and Nurture shape us in different ways,
but all individual creatures are 'one offs'.
Even roaches.

- quote -

> JMO
>
> John
>
>

#6 10-25-2008, 04:36 PM

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:07:32 -0500, Steven Fawks
<tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:

- quote -

>
> >
> > > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same
> >
> >
> > That can't be true, just by definition.
>
> I agree, but the "best" school, it the one that sends you
> an acceptance letter!
>
> ;-)
> Steve

Got one rejection, and two acceptances.
Gladly the second acceptance was from
my first choice.

Make no mistake, accepted the first offer,
and gave that slot to another after first choice
came to fruition.

Kept the rejection letter for some years, should
have had it framed.

#5 10-25-2008, 01:26 PM

- quote -

> > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the
> individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and
> how good he will be.

Good point...I completely agree with it.

I think that upon graduation, depending on the strengths of the school, you
maybe more skilled in certain aspects of dentistry, but after 3 months of
clinical practice, we are all the same. After that, we each develop our
skills/interests that make each of us a little different from one another.

JMO

John

#4 10-25-2008, 01:07 PM

- quote -

>
> > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same
>
>
> That can't be true, just by definition.

I agree, but the "best" school, it the one that sends you
an acceptance letter!

;-)
Steve

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