Calif dental board exam question - URGENT

.... but Jan Drew must give up Line Dancing .......


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> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:36:14 GMT, "Dr. Steve" <dr.steve.[at].m.a.n.c.u.s.o.d.d.s.com> wrote:

> It would be a nice opportunity to have a legitimate discussion. Again, I
> promise to be a gentleman, as polite as humanly possible.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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It would be a nice opportunity to have a legitimate discussion. Again, I
promise to be a gentleman, as polite as humanly possible.

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"Jan" <jdrew63929[at]aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040306012344.09437.00001005[at]mb-m12.aol.com...
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> > Subject: Re: Calif dental board exam question - URGENT
> > From: "Dr. Steve" drsteve[at]I.give.up.on.the.spam.com
> > Date: 3/5/2004 10:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > Message-id: <jQd2c.9307$t16.5657603[at]newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>
> >
> > Hello Jan,
> >
> > I hope your weekend goes well this week. We had record high temperatures
> > today.
>
> Thank you. Yes I saw it was warm all over. I guess those in Michigan were
more
> than ready.
>
>
> > Would you like to take one of your posted links from the previous message
to
> > discuss in detail?
>
> No thanks, I think they are self evident.
>
> > http://www.wholisticresearch.com/inf....php3?artid=20
> > >
> > > They got caught in a lie, then they made up bigger ones.
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/2lpld
> > >
> > > Jan
>
>

"Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS." <purple543210[at]yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:b72aca93.0403052344.b6dcdb7[at]posting.google.com...
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> If the ADA wants to protect my rights they should stop making the ADA
> claim form and CDT codes so I could bill by the hour instead of
> itemizing my services in front of some insurance company that sees a
> crown is a crown whether Da Vinci or a cheap lab makes it)
>
There is truth to this, but would you then be willing to submit to a review of

your peers to determine if your work is really a Da Vinci or if the claim of
superior work is just a hollow claim?

I know nothing of your work, so please don't take this personally, but in my
area I have seen some of the highest priced dentists doing some really crappy
work, and some who bill far less doing far better work. One, who bills himself
as someone who takes care of many celebrities, and charges almost twice what
others charge seems incapable or unconcerned with marginal integrity or
overhangs. If he was being paid on the basis of his treatment quality, he would
be deserving of a fraction of what others get, not double.

T

"Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS." <purple543210[at]yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:b72aca93.0403052349.2953a49a[at]posting.google.com...
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> "Tony Bad"
>
> Was it 3% OF THE DUES THAT GOES TO POLITICAL ACTIVITY?
> What about the rest of the 97% or should we be just happy that it is a
> tax write off?
>
> The NRA does more with much smaller dues than the ADA and local
> components.
>

Not really sure what you mean. I haven't been an ADA member for many years, so I
wasn't defending the sum of their activities, but I did want to point out to the
original poster that there have been changes regarding the licensure issue.

T

Excellent point. I used to work on occasion by the hour for patients
with few resources available for dentistry. It worked great.

JOEL


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> On 5 Mar 2004 23:44:07 -0800, purple543210[at]yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) wrote:

> If the ADA wants to protect my rights they should stop making the ADA
> claim form and CDT codes so I could bill by the hour instead of
> itemizing my services in front of some insurance company that sees a
> crown is a crown whether Da Vinci or a cheap lab makes it)
>
>
> dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com (Bill Combs) wrote in message news:<42da265d.0403051050.509b08bd[at]posting.google.com> ...
> > "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message news:<_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com> ...
> > > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
> >
> >
> > One good use of the ADA is to keep up with the news.
> >
> > Since you haven't kept up with the news about licensure by
> > credentials, and the beginning of the elimination of clinical exams in
> > some Eastern states, you would probably find the ADA News and the ADA
> > Journal very enlightening.
> >
> > The rest of us are already aware of the last 20 years' worth of
> > changes.
> >
> > Another good use of the ADA is that of the recent ADA lawsuits against
> > Aetna and other dental insurance companies. One insurance company has
> > already agreed to comply with the ADA's insistence that insurance
> > companies must stop lying to patients regarding fees.
> >
> > In the past, insurance companies routinely told patients that a
> > dentist's fees were MUCH HIGHER than customary dental fees. Insurers
> > would routinely say that about nearly ALL the dentists in a given
> > area, so how could all these dentists be charging more than the usual
> > fees?
> >
> > The insurance companies would then lower their payments. This cheated
> > the dentist when he agreed to abide by the insurance companies' fee,
> > or cheated the patient when the insurance payment was lower than
> > expected, and the patient had to pay the shortfall.
> >
> > This was an obvious insurance company scam, but for some reason,
> > individual dentists couldn't do anything about it.
> >
> > That's where the ADA stepped in to protect your rights.
> >
> > The insurance company which the ADA sued first, agreed to stop
> > lowering their payments and telling this nonsense to patients unless
> > they could back it up. Since they can't back it up, the lies have to
> > stop.
> >
> > This ADA achievement, by the way, benefits all dentists, not just ADA
> > members. So non-members have been getting a free ride for all these
> > years. And because they don't bother to read the ADA News, they don't
> > even know how much they owe to the ADA.
> >
> > Further examples of the good that the ADA has done for dentists and
> > patients can be found just by contacting the ADA.
> >
> > - dentaldoc

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Too funny! Ya'll can't even be nice to Jan, even if you try!

JOEL

She will not PERMIT it!


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> On 06 Mar 2004 06:23:44 GMT, jdrew63929[at]aol.com (Jan) wrote:

> > Subject: Re: Calif dental board exam question - URGENT
> > From: "Dr. Steve" drsteve[at]I.give.up.on.the.spam.com
> > Date: 3/5/2004 10:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > Message-id: <jQd2c.9307$t16.5657603[at]newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>
> >
> > Hello Jan,
> >
> > I hope your weekend goes well this week. We had record high temperatures
> > today.
>
> Thank you. Yes I saw it was warm all over. I guess those in Michigan were more
> than ready.
>
>
> > Would you like to take one of your posted links from the previous message to
> > discuss in detail?
>
> No thanks, I think they are self evident.
>
> > http://www.wholisticresearch.com/inf....php3?artid=20
> > >
> > > They got caught in a lie, then they made up bigger ones.
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/2lpld
> > >
> > > Jan
>

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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*********

Dental health-related material
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represent endorsement by or an official
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or any other official agency either
actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso.

Advice on the treatment or care
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be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

STANDARD DISCLAIMER

If this is open for a vote, I personally like the posts where Jan says
everyone is lying .........


JOEL

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> On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 06:02:55 GMT, "Dr. Steve" <drsteve[at]I.give.up.on.the.spam.com> wrote:

> Hello Jan,
>
> I hope your weekend goes well this week. We had record high temperatures
> today.
>
> Would you like to take one of your posted links from the previous message to
> discuss in detail?

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS:

*********

Dental health-related material
is provided for information purposes
only and does not necessarily
represent endorsement by or an official
position of the SciMedDentistry gang
or any other official agency either
actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso.

Advice on the treatment or care
of an individual patient should
be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

STANDARD DISCLAIMER

"Tony Bad"

Was it 3% OF THE DUES THAT GOES TO POLITICAL ACTIVITY?
What about the rest of the 97% or should we be just happy that it is a
tax write off?

The NRA does more with much smaller dues than the ADA and local
components.



<SpamSpamSpam[at]bakedbeans.spam> wrote in message news:<RZ22c.14728$UF1.1731322[at]news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> ...
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> "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
>
> I agree with your sentiments, but to be fair, the vast majority of states DO
> offer licensure by reciprocity. There are a few states that will seemingly fight
> this issue to the end. For what reason, I do not know.
>
> http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/recognition.asp
>
> The dental boards in the jurisdictions listed below grant license recognition to
> dentists.
> Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, DC*,
> Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine,
> Maryland, Massachusetts*, Michigan, Minnesota3, Mississippi*, Missouri,
> Montana, Nebraska, Nevada2, New Hampshire, New Jersey*, New Mexico,
> New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Oklahoma,
> Pennsylvania*, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee,
> Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin
>
> Seven states do not currently grant licensure by credentials, although dental
> boards in three
> of those states and the U.S. Virgin Islands have discretionary authority by
> statute to do so.
> Those states are: Georgia*, South Carolina, Wyoming. The other four states that
> do not
> grant licensure by credentials are Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Virginia.

Oh yes how much money goes into the printing and graphic arts of that book?

Joel that is a good use for it.


Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. <joeleichen[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<g1nh4091din3bdqfvfq8bc76v70eliujh7[at]4ax.com> ...
- quote -

> Another advantage <--------- the JADA (Journal) fits my birdcage
> exactly!
>
> JOEL
>
>
> > On 5 Mar 2004 10:50:00 -0800, dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com (Bill Combs) wrote:
>
> > "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message news:<_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com> ...
> > > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
> >
> >
> > One good use of the ADA is to keep up with the news.
> >
> > Since you haven't kept up with the news about licensure by
> > credentials, and the beginning of the elimination of clinical exams in
> > some Eastern states, you would probably find the ADA News and the ADA
> > Journal very enlightening.
> >
> > The rest of us are already aware of the last 20 years' worth of
> > changes.
> >
> > Another good use of the ADA is that of the recent ADA lawsuits against
> > Aetna and other dental insurance companies. One insurance company has
> > already agreed to comply with the ADA's insistence that insurance
> > companies must stop lying to patients regarding fees.
> >
> > In the past, insurance companies routinely told patients that a
> > dentist's fees were MUCH HIGHER than customary dental fees. Insurers
> > would routinely say that about nearly ALL the dentists in a given
> > area, so how could all these dentists be charging more than the usual
> > fees?
> >
> > The insurance companies would then lower their payments. This cheated
> > the dentist when he agreed to abide by the insurance companies' fee,
> > or cheated the patient when the insurance payment was lower than
> > expected, and the patient had to pay the shortfall.
> >
> > This was an obvious insurance company scam, but for some reason,
> > individual dentists couldn't do anything about it.
> >
> > That's where the ADA stepped in to protect your rights.
> >
> > The insurance company which the ADA sued first, agreed to stop
> > lowering their payments and telling this nonsense to patients unless
> > they could back it up. Since they can't back it up, the lies have to
> > stop.
> >
> > This ADA achievement, by the way, benefits all dentists, not just ADA
> > members. So non-members have been getting a free ride for all these
> > years. And because they don't bother to read the ADA News, they don't
> > even know how much they owe to the ADA.
> >
> > Further examples of the good that the ADA has done for dentists and
> > patients can be found just by contacting the ADA.
> >
> > - dentaldoc
>
> --
> Joel M. Eichen, .
> Philadelphia PA
>
> DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS:
>
> *********
>
> Dental health-related material
> is provided for information purposes
> only and does not necessarily
> represent endorsement by or an official
> position of the SciMedDentistry gang
> or any other official agency either
> actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso.
>
> Advice on the treatment or care
> of an individual patient should
> be obtained through consultation
> with a dentist who has examined
> that patient or is familiar with
> that patient's dental history.
>
> STANDARD DISCLAIMER

If the ADA wants to protect my rights they should stop making the ADA
claim form and CDT codes so I could bill by the hour instead of
itemizing my services in front of some insurance company that sees a
crown is a crown whether Da Vinci or a cheap lab makes it)


dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com (Bill Combs) wrote in message news:<42da265d.0403051050.509b08bd[at]posting.google.com> ...
- quote -

> "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message news:<_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com> ...
> > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
>
>
> One good use of the ADA is to keep up with the news.
>
> Since you haven't kept up with the news about licensure by
> credentials, and the beginning of the elimination of clinical exams in
> some Eastern states, you would probably find the ADA News and the ADA
> Journal very enlightening.
>
> The rest of us are already aware of the last 20 years' worth of
> changes.
>
> Another good use of the ADA is that of the recent ADA lawsuits against
> Aetna and other dental insurance companies. One insurance company has
> already agreed to comply with the ADA's insistence that insurance
> companies must stop lying to patients regarding fees.
>
> In the past, insurance companies routinely told patients that a
> dentist's fees were MUCH HIGHER than customary dental fees. Insurers
> would routinely say that about nearly ALL the dentists in a given
> area, so how could all these dentists be charging more than the usual
> fees?
>
> The insurance companies would then lower their payments. This cheated
> the dentist when he agreed to abide by the insurance companies' fee,
> or cheated the patient when the insurance payment was lower than
> expected, and the patient had to pay the shortfall.
>
> This was an obvious insurance company scam, but for some reason,
> individual dentists couldn't do anything about it.
>
> That's where the ADA stepped in to protect your rights.
>
> The insurance company which the ADA sued first, agreed to stop
> lowering their payments and telling this nonsense to patients unless
> they could back it up. Since they can't back it up, the lies have to
> stop.
>
> This ADA achievement, by the way, benefits all dentists, not just ADA
> members. So non-members have been getting a free ride for all these
> years. And because they don't bother to read the ADA News, they don't
> even know how much they owe to the ADA.
>
> Further examples of the good that the ADA has done for dentists and
> patients can be found just by contacting the ADA.
>
> - dentaldoc

CDA does not create legislature, but they sure could lobby.
Anyway nobody cares about the fact sheet which was out of date to
begin with.
I could not find some of the materials I was using on there.
In any case the fact sheet is stupid and not important.
Patients paying sales tax indirectly for dental prosthetics is
important and inconsistant. Being able to practice anywhere in the
country after completing an accredidated university is also important
and nothing was done about this.
All I see is fleasing of our dues on conventions with 3rd rated CE's.

I never heard about this $2500/day fine. If I had to pay it I would
hang up my handpiece and so would many other dentists.
The fact sheet was one of Gray Davis's stupid ideas thank god he was
kicked out of office. I thought we'd never get rid of that 2 faced son
of a -----.


dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com (Bill Combs) wrote in message news:<42da265d.0403051027.10134af2[at]posting.google.com> ...
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> purple543210[at]yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) wrote in message news:<b72aca93.0403041715.aa3c3b2[at]posting.google.com> ...
> >
> > They have changed the exam completely since 1992.
> > If your cousin has been practicing for more than 5 years he/she can
> > apply for licensure by credentials if there is reciprocity between
> > California and New York.
> > You will need to check on this. If not your cousin is out of luck for
> > now and will have to take the boards again.
> > And if that is the case you can thank ADA and state components for not
> > doing anything about this. They just like to take your dues and party.
>
>
> OH, hogwash.
>
> First, the state laws in California are not made by the dental
> association. They are made by inexperienced, uneducated legislators
> who would make every dentist in the state a public servant at LESS
> than minimum wage if they had their way.
>
> If you really doubt that they want you to work for LESS than minimum
> wage, just check out the current Denti-Cal fees. And after you're done
> laughing, consider the fact that the state is SERIOUS about this. They
> even have a proposal to CUT these inadequate rates by another 10%.
>
> Want to know why you are NOT required to print up and give every
> patient a copy of the "New, improved" version of the Dental Materials
> Fact Sheet? (Better known in its proposed Dec. 2003 incarnation as the
> "Looney Tunes Dental Material Propaganda Sheet.)
>
> Well, if you haven't read the news, it's because the California Dental
> Association organized thousands of dentists in the state to write to
> the Board and insist that the new "DMFS" be based upon science, not
> upon the politics of a couple of political Board appointees.
>
> In addition, dental researchers were contacted by the CDA regarding
> the proposed DMFS in California. These researchers were amazed that a
> legislative body would seriously consider publishing the nonsense on
> the proposed sheet, let alone forcing every California dentist to push
> unscientific political propaganda upon every patient in the state.
> These scientists sent the Board their objections in writing.
>
> Inundated with these letters, the Board wisely decided to table the
> proposed DMFS.
>
> ALSO:
> Did you have to pay the California Prop. 65 fines, calculated at
> something like $2500 per DAY?
>
> What, you didn't have to pay them?
>
> Thank the CDA again.
>
> - dentaldoc

- quote -

> Subject: Re: Calif dental board exam question - URGENT
> From: "Dr. Steve" drsteve[at]I.give.up.on.the.spam.com
> Date: 3/5/2004 10:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
> Message-id: <jQd2c.9307$t16.5657603[at]newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>
>
> Hello Jan,
>
> I hope your weekend goes well this week. We had record high temperatures
> today.

Thank you. Yes I saw it was warm all over. I guess those in Michigan were more
than ready.


- quote -

> Would you like to take one of your posted links from the previous message to
> discuss in detail?

No thanks, I think they are self evident.

- quote -

> http://www.wholisticresearch.com/inf....php3?artid=20
> >
> > They got caught in a lie, then they made up bigger ones.

> http://tinyurl.com/2lpld
> >
> > Jan

Hello Jan,

I hope your weekend goes well this week. We had record high temperatures
today.

Would you like to take one of your posted links from the previous message to
discuss in detail?

--
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan USA
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"Jan" <jdrew63929[at]aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040305173926.02049.00000962[at]mb-m19.aol.com...
- quote -

> > Subject: Re: Calif dental board exam question - URGENT
> > From: dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com (Bill Combs)
> > Date: 3/5/2004 10:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
> > Message-id: <42da265d.0403051050.509b08bd[at]posting.google.com>
> >
> > "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:<_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com> ...
> > > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
> >
> >
> > One good use of the ADA is to keep up with the news.
> >
> > Since you haven't kept up with the news about licensure by
> > credentials, and the beginning of the elimination of clinical exams in
> > some Eastern states, you would probably find the ADA News and the ADA
> > Journal very enlightening.
> >
> > The rest of us are already aware of the last 20 years' worth of
> > changes.
> >
> > Another good use of the ADA is that of the recent ADA lawsuits against
> > Aetna and other dental insurance companies. One insurance company has
> > already agreed to comply with the ADA's insistence that insurance
> > companies must stop lying to patients regarding fees.
> >
> > In the past, insurance companies routinely told patients that a
> > dentist's fees were MUCH HIGHER than customary dental fees. Insurers
> > would routinely say that about nearly ALL the dentists in a given
> > area, so how could all these dentists be charging more than the usual
> > fees?
> >
> > The insurance companies would then lower their payments. This cheated
> > the dentist when he agreed to abide by the insurance companies' fee,
> > or cheated the patient when the insurance payment was lower than
> > expected, and the patient had to pay the shortfall.
> >
> > This was an obvious insurance company scam, but for some reason,
> > individual dentists couldn't do anything about it.
> >
> > That's where the ADA stepped in to protect your rights.
> >
> > The insurance company which the ADA sued first, agreed to stop
> > lowering their payments and telling this nonsense to patients unless
> > they could back it up. Since they can't back it up, the lies have to
> > stop.
> >
> > This ADA achievement, by the way, benefits all dentists, not just ADA
> > members. So non-members have been getting a free ride for all these
> > years. And because they don't bother to read the ADA News, they don't
> > even know how much they owe to the ADA.
> >
> > Further examples of the good that the ADA has done for dentists and
> > patients can be found just by contacting the ADA.
> >
> > - dentaldoc
>
> It is well known the ADA are a bunch of liars, as well as responsilbe for
the
> use of amalgam.
>
> http://www.wholisticresearch.com/inf....php3?artid=20
>
> They got caught in a lie, then they made up bigger ones.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2lpld
>
> Jan
>
>

I re-joined about 3 years ago.

--
`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan USA
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"WB" <no_one[at]nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:shuh4099nfqr4m9omjcus1oma32j37tiuu[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:06:45 GMT, "Dr. Steve"
<drsteve[at]I.give.up.on.the.spam.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a full member of the ADA, MDA, and OCDS.
>
>
> I didn't think you were a member, when did you join ?
> --
>
> "I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
> -Yoshimo

Dr. Steve wrote:
- quote -

> Hi Bill,
>
> I am a full member of the ADA, MDA, and OCDS. However, I am very
> dissatisfied with how the ADA operates. Virtually all the mailing and
> notices I get from them are proposals to buy insurance, banking,
> investments, etc. none of which are very good deals. It makes the ADA look
> as if they are taking kick-backs on this stuff. Especially when it all
> comes from ADA mailing addresses. Now I have zero evidence that the ADA is
> taking any kick-backs, so I do not mean to libel them, just point out how it
> looks from this end.
>
> The items you mentioned are very good, but are too few and too far between.
> Dentists have been complaining of the lack of reciprocity between states for
> decades. It has only begun to open up in the past few years. Mostly in
> response to the outcry of the members.
>
> We need organized dentistry. The system we have now (ADA) may be very good.
> Unfortunately, the average dentist does not see a steady flow of good stuff
> coming from it. They see a steady flow of efforts to make money off of the
> dentists.

Regrettfully, I agree with you Steve. The problem as I see it is that
you usually get out no more than you put in. Many folks, including
myself, find it hard to put the work in and find little enthusiasm and
involvement from others. It is too easy to think others are taking
advantage of your efforts. Of course, I'm as guilty of this as the next
guy. But if we pulled together, we'd get more accomplished and likely
feel better represented.
As it stands, specialists are overrepresented in the ADA hierarchy,
probably because specialists naturally must learn to network in order to
survive. General dentists would be well served to follow their lead in
this respect.

Steve

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>

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>

"Bill Combs" <dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:42da265d.0403051050.509b08bd[at]posting.google.com...
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> "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com> ...
> > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
>
>
> One good use of the ADA is to keep up with the news.
>
> Since you haven't kept up with the news about licensure by
> credentials, and the beginning of the elimination of clinical exams in
> some Eastern states, you would probably find the ADA News and the ADA
> Journal very enlightening.
>
> The rest of us are already aware of the last 20 years' worth of
> changes.
>
> Another good use of the ADA is that of the recent ADA lawsuits against
> Aetna and other dental insurance companies. One insurance company has
> already agreed to comply with the ADA's insistence that insurance
> companies must stop lying to patients regarding fees.
>
> In the past, insurance companies routinely told patients that a
> dentist's fees were MUCH HIGHER than customary dental fees. Insurers
> would routinely say that about nearly ALL the dentists in a given
> area, so how could all these dentists be charging more than the usual
> fees?
>
> The insurance companies would then lower their payments. This cheated
> the dentist when he agreed to abide by the insurance companies' fee,
> or cheated the patient when the insurance payment was lower than
> expected, and the patient had to pay the shortfall.
>
> This was an obvious insurance company scam, but for some reason,
> individual dentists couldn't do anything about it.
>
> That's where the ADA stepped in to protect your rights.
>
> The insurance company which the ADA sued first, agreed to stop
> lowering their payments and telling this nonsense to patients unless
> they could back it up. Since they can't back it up, the lies have to
> stop.
>
> This ADA achievement, by the way, benefits all dentists, not just ADA
> members. So non-members have been getting a free ride for all these
> years. And because they don't bother to read the ADA News, they don't
> even know how much they owe to the ADA.
>
> Further examples of the good that the ADA has done for dentists and
> patients can be found just by contacting the ADA.
>
> - dentaldoc

Thanks for the updates Bill, I do get lazy about keeping up - just not into
the politics of it. Maybe now I should be.

carabelli

Yupe, goode olde boye and girle networke.

On 05 Mar 2004 22:39:26 GMT, jdrew63929[at]aol.com (Jan) wrote:

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> It is well known the ADA are a bunch of liars, as well as responsilbe for the
> use of amalgam.

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS:

*********

Dental health-related material
is provided for information purposes
only and does not necessarily
represent endorsement by or an official
position of the SciMedDentistry gang
or any other official agency either
actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso.

Advice on the treatment or care
of an individual patient should
be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

STANDARD DISCLAIMER

I believe that this means that you can certainly apply in any state, however
it depends on the state as to what hoops you will have to jump through to
get licensure. Some states make you sit through the entire board exam, some
you just have to pass a laws/rules exam... it just depends.

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joeleichen[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9lgh40lrclar7ei0q9bd485ft7uj8c8q6j[at]4ax.com...
- quote -

> I am not sure how this works. Let's say I have a Pennsylvania license.
> (I do.) Can I apply for a license somewhere else (I won't)?
>
> JOEL
>
>
> > On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:42:09 GMT, "Tony Bad"
<SpamSpamSpam[at]bakedbeans.spam> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
> >
> > I agree with your sentiments, but to be fair, the vast majority of states
DO
> > offer licensure by reciprocity. There are a few states that will
seemingly fight
> > this issue to the end. For what reason, I do not know.
> >
> > http://www.ada.org/prof/prac/licensure/recognition.asp
> >
> > The dental boards in the jurisdictions listed below grant license
recognition to
> > dentists.
> > Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut,
DC*,
> > Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine,
> > Maryland, Massachusetts*, Michigan, Minnesota3, Mississippi*, Missouri,
> > Montana, Nebraska, Nevada2, New Hampshire, New Jersey*, New Mexico,
> > New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Oklahoma,
> > Pennsylvania*, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee,
> > Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin
> >
> > Seven states do not currently grant licensure by credentials, although
dental
> > boards in three
> > of those states and the U.S. Virgin Islands have discretionary authority
by
> > statute to do so.
> > Those states are: Georgia*, South Carolina, Wyoming. The other four
states that
> > do not
> > grant licensure by credentials are Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Virginia.
> >
>
> --
> Joel M. Eichen, .
> Philadelphia PA
>
> DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS:
>
> *********
>
> Dental health-related material
> is provided for information purposes
> only and does not necessarily
> represent endorsement by or an official
> position of the SciMedDentistry gang
> or any other official agency either
> actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso.
>
> Advice on the treatment or care
> of an individual patient should
> be obtained through consultation
> with a dentist who has examined
> that patient or is familiar with
> that patient's dental history.
>
> STANDARD DISCLAIMER
>

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> Subject: Re: Calif dental board exam question - URGENT
> From: dentaldoc[at]hotmail.com (Bill Combs)
> Date: 3/5/2004 10:50 AM Pacific Standard Time
> Message-id: <42da265d.0403051050.509b08bd[at]posting.google.com>
>
> "Jeffrey Krantz" <drref[at]si.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:<_HT1c.5375$c73.1737722[at]twister.nyc.rr.com> ...
> > that is why I will NEVER join the ADA.
> > Twenty years ago the same complaints were common. NO reciprocity.
> > NOW would someone like to tell me ONE use of the ADA?
>
>
> One good use of the ADA is to keep up with the news.
>
> Since you haven't kept up with the news about licensure by
> credentials, and the beginning of the elimination of clinical exams in
> some Eastern states, you would probably find the ADA News and the ADA
> Journal very enlightening.
>
> The rest of us are already aware of the last 20 years' worth of
> changes.
>
> Another good use of the ADA is that of the recent ADA lawsuits against
> Aetna and other dental insurance companies. One insurance company has
> already agreed to comply with the ADA's insistence that insurance
> companies must stop lying to patients regarding fees.
>
> In the past, insurance companies routinely told patients that a
> dentist's fees were MUCH HIGHER than customary dental fees. Insurers
> would routinely say that about nearly ALL the dentists in a given
> area, so how could all these dentists be charging more than the usual
> fees?
>
> The insurance companies would then lower their payments. This cheated
> the dentist when he agreed to abide by the insurance companies' fee,
> or cheated the patient when the insurance payment was lower than
> expected, and the patient had to pay the shortfall.
>
> This was an obvious insurance company scam, but for some reason,
> individual dentists couldn't do anything about it.
>
> That's where the ADA stepped in to protect your rights.
>
> The insurance company which the ADA sued first, agreed to stop
> lowering their payments and telling this nonsense to patients unless
> they could back it up. Since they can't back it up, the lies have to
> stop.
>
> This ADA achievement, by the way, benefits all dentists, not just ADA
> members. So non-members have been getting a free ride for all these
> years. And because they don't bother to read the ADA News, they don't
> even know how much they owe to the ADA.
>
> Further examples of the good that the ADA has done for dentists and
> patients can be found just by contacting the ADA.
>
> - dentaldoc

It is well known the ADA are a bunch of liars, as well as responsilbe for the
use of amalgam.

http://www.wholisticresearch.com/inf....php3?artid=20

They got caught in a lie, then they made up bigger ones.

http://tinyurl.com/2lpld

Jan

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:06:45 GMT, "Dr. Steve" <drsteve[at]I.give.up.on.the.spam.com> wrote:

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> I am a full member of the ADA, MDA, and OCDS.

I didn't think you were a member, when did you join ?
--

"I can dance on the head of a pin as well"
-Yoshimo