Lost in the fifties?

;-)
Steve

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On Jan 29, 6:19*pm, jerm <blown...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
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I still am pretty freaked that the "tmd dentists" or whatever they
called themselves( orofacial..craniofacial something something) kept
wanting me to believe i wasn't experiencing real "tmd" or meeting
their specific criteria for it, in that if I wasn't dealing with the
"real" thing, maybe I can't begin to understand how bad the "real" tmd
is, Maybe?

Thanks Dartos, Webby Mark and Steve, and the rest of Sci.med(wheres
Dr.Fawks?)

Jeremy

On Jan 29, 8:09*am, The Webby <tmjiatroepide...[at]cox.net> wrote:
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Hey Webby!.....yeah, it was pretty rough there for a while
huh...sheesh!..... Jim made me a daytime device not too long ago, that
has
really helped out alot, along with his tenacity-never quit on me!

In article <1233225488_79939[at]news.newsville.com> ,
Dartos <tuthjockey[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:
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IMO, the "issue" will likely "never" go away in our cyber-lifetimes.

Jeremy, it's good to see that you're getting along better!

Webby

Glad you are doing better.

Well...

I don't think anyone can say anything in particular *causes* TMD
symptoms (other than parafunctional habits).

We have all seen tongue thrusters with pain and many without pain.
We have all seen class III occlusion with pain and without pain.
We have all seen class II occlusion with pain and without pain.
We have all seen 'perfect' class I occlusion with pain and without pain.
We have all seen unilateral cross bites with pain and without pain.

Most of the patients I see with TMD symptoms are class II or class I
occlusion and are not tongue thrusters. BUT, that describes the
majority of patients in the first place.

So that doesn't mean one darn thing.

IME, tongue thrusting is not a big issue with TMD symptoms, but I
can't say it has *no* effect either. If it does have an effect, I
would still believe it to be low on the list.

(not going into the "what is a TMD dentist?" issue <G> )

Best wishes,
D

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Started a longer post at the office, but didn't get finished..

maybe tomorrow.

Glad things have improved to get you back to some sense of normalcy.

:-)
Steve

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Just trying to be polite.

<G>
D

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On Jan 26, 2:29*pm, Dartos <tuthjoc...[at]myturbonet.com> wrote:
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Hey Dartos, Ive been actually been pretty decent, thanks for
asking. Much of my symptoms have gradually and slowly gotten much
better.
I can open pretty wide nowadays with no joint noise at all. Just have
a real faint click in one side, and a bit of tension in my masseters
still, but im
nothing like I was. Down to about 1 migraine a month, if even that,
and im very thankful for that.
This person that I quoted was just trying to instill fear of the NTI
with these false claims and such, so i was hoping to get some
responses
from you here, that I could throw down in defense, even though I know
how ridiculous the things she was squawking are.

Hey, btw, while Im here and have your attention...........Ive been
told I had a toungue thrust by a tmd dentist in the past. Does a
"toungue thrust" have anything to to with TMD symptoms?

Best regards,

Jeremy


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Dartos wrote:
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Ya think? ;-)

S.

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

jerm wrote:
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How have you been?

I've had patients wearing NTI's for 8-10 years with no difficulties
what-so-ever.

I don't think this physician has much of an idea about long term
dental therapies.

D

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(snip)

I think maybe I should start operating on shoulders.

Steve

ive been recommending the NTI to people often on this website
consisting of forums for patients, and there usually is alot of people
wanting to bite my head off with warnings from their own doctors
warnings. This one reply lately was pretty weird about this ladys
"orthopedic surgeon"(didnt realize they were experts in TMD), and I
thought maybe it would interest somebody here.........ok, here it
is................>




Hi,
I was going to get one to until I mentioned it to my Orthopedic
Surgeon that just did surgery on my shoulder and he told me it all
depends on how you grind your teeth at night. On your front teeth or
flat on your back bite. If you do on your back teeth, he said "do not
get one" as after awhile you will develop and abnormal arch to your
jaw that will be permanent and cause you even more problems. This
surgeon I would send my mother to he is so good! The best I have ever
run into. I have known him for 3 years now and everything he has ever
told me or advised me on has come true. I even took a couple of
friends with me of late for post op appts and they said they would go
to him in a heart beat! TMJ is hard enough with out ruining the
jawbone with an arch in it on top of it. I am sticking with my normal
full mouth guard I had my dentist make me. When you grind it is 2000
pds of pressure on a normal bite while clinching, grinding and I can
see if you only had a front plate to apply that kind of pressure to
over time you could do perm damage to the bone structure. Example:
braces, and other appliances worn can change your jaw shape and move
teeth.
I wish you all well with this horrible pain.
With love,
Willow54