Once upon a time, our fellow zero
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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You seem to be confused. Science Geeks are low-life piece of
shits.

All my information comes from my tracking of health research. I
certainly don't pay attention to the juvenile babble taking place on
this ng.

Time to grow up, Geek!

Just thought that you might want to know.

Yeah, as if the only reason you're a low-life piece of shit is because
the thread made you that way. YEAH, THE THREAD CAUSED YOU
TO BE AN ASSHOLE. Ahh, too bad, i feel so sorry. THE THREAD
MADE YOU WHAT YOU ARE. Yeah..........right.


In article <p8lksv0t142sfilno4b9amgefqq8q26ukf[at]4ax.com> , John 'the Man'
<DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote:
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Once upon a time, our fellow zero
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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Just goes to show you what a disagreement over a test for
apolipoprotein B (apoB) can lead to: Science Geeks having a nervous
breakdown.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
--
Go to, you're a dry fool; I'll no more of you. -- Twelfth Night

What a low-life piece of shit this guy is.

In article <pfpjsv84e0u5gnbjjdqtrsfq125sd1g6d9[at]4ax.com> , John 'the Man'
<DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote:

Once upon a time, our fellow Robert
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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Boy do you need to grow up.

When may I expect the blessed event?

Just my opinion. But, I am *right* as usual!

"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote in message
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If what you are saying is don't reply to your posts and ignore you then
consider it down.
If you mean I should avoid you at all costs well that is a little difficult
because you post thousands of times to every thing on here. You are just
unavoidable.

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Debate as you wish, I don't mind.

See below

John 'the Man' wrote:

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LDL/HDL testing is paart of any GOOD Blood profile as done in a reputable
Hospital lab.
As for "Lumpy or non fat " associated testing, that depends on the health of
the subject being tested. If He/she is thin and athletic, so much the better,
However if He/She is OBESE ( many layers here)
then health becomes critical. LDL being fat laden does not aid digestion as
well as a normal LDL from healthy and thinner athletic types. HDL is a
separate item as it is acted upon by NIACIN in the B Complex group and is
catalysed to DHEA which addresses the Hypothalamus and hormonal health.
LDL is digestive and used in the LIVER for same. If the liver is healthy with
Glucoronic acis as well..then toxins are not a problem. However chemistry
again plays a part and too much acid from GREEN veggies such as Spinach can
become a problem. Veggies are great but shpuld be more yellow than green. Both
are needed but in controlled quantities. BALANCE is the best way to go! Always
remember that Meat and STARCH do NOT go together, as it becomes GAS! Veggies
go with Meat OR Starch...but AGAIN..starch and meat (Hamburgers etc) are
deadly combination and GAS is the result! Our entire modern civilization have
bought every LIE in the book! I've worked for MONTHS on many clients that are
in absolute misery due to UN-balanced diets they've had for many years! It
takes about seven months of proper balance and measured supplements to give
some-one BACK their lives! B-0b1

--
"Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.

Once upon a time, our fellow Robert
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

Will you please stop with your childish comments?

Enough already! STOP wasting my time.

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"janet" <janetsam[at]mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:JLayb.26779$Rk5.13598[at]newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
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You might want to get all the usual tests including some of the
apolipoprotein testing but keep in mind that there are different kinds of
stroke. Hemorrhagic meaning bleeding and thrombotic stroke. Some people
have genetically weak arteries which bleed easy and then there are some
genetically hyper clotting states or clogged artery type occlusions.
There are obvious risk factors such as hypertension and diseases which can
affect the arteries.
You need to see a vascular internist. A lot of the stuff you read is
research in which the ink hasn't dried yet and time is needed to assimilate
that stuff into more practical use.
Sometimes it dies and doesn't make into clinical use.

"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote in message
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You originally mentioned "Is your LDL the tiny, bumpy, and mushy kind?
Or, is your LDL the big, fat, lumpy, hard kind?
You really need to get the correct test this time around."

Tiny versus big is not measured in the protein carrier for the lipid test
called apolipoprotein B (apoB).

Most people have apolipoproteins as fat can not be water soluble so protein
carriers are needed to flow within the blood. You don't get a report back
in terms of LDL particle size. You get a concentration level back in terms
of the "protein" fraction not the LDL particle bozo.

Get your terminology straight.

Once upon a time, our fellow Robert
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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Why don't I just start from the beginning.

I don't know who the hell you are, Robert.

Just stay the fuck off my conversations in the future.

I made the mistake of originally ignoring your infantile babble. The
next time, I will tear you apart.

You fucking idiot!!!

sorry, i just wanted the exact name for the test.
there is a lot of the net about low hdl but very little about a very high
number. i did find a few articles stating that after something around 80,
hdl stops being a negative risk factor and the study was done on women.
in any case i will ask for more tests. maybe see a specialist given my
mother and grandmother were both dead by age 60 from strokes. i do have
aunts that are living into their 80's though
thanks
janet


"Robert" <Robert[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time, our fellow Robert
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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Are YOU drunk?

Are YOU on drugs? I don't give a damn about what you wrote.

On my posts, I wrote: "What you want is a test for apolipoprotein B
(apoB)."

And, that is precisely what I recommend.

Just thought that you might want to know.

"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote in message
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You haven't been listening or reading I guess. ApoB is the protein carrier
and has been a test available for years.

Here is what you want.
Low density lipoprotein particle size phenotyping in healthy persons and
patients with myocardial infarction.
Croat Med J. 2002 Jun;43(3):290-5.
PMID: 12035134 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

read that OK and no it is not freely available everywhere.
There is some discussion whether it is truley independent from HDL,
triglycerides etc.
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Where does particle size come into play dude, you are lost.

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Again there are many markers and there is some discussion whether they are
independent markers from already studied ones but if it is available then
why not have it performed.
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Once upon a time, our fellow janet
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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What you want is a test for apolipoprotein B (apoB).

Research has shown that small, dense LDL particles are more often
associated with atherosclerosis than large, “fluffy” LDL particles.

You want to look for elevated apoB which would mean that your LDL is
indeed a problem.

Apolipoprotein B (Apo B)

Desirable level for adult: less than 100 mg/dl

Preparation:

Blood should be collected after a 12-hour fast (no food or drink,
except water). For the most accurate results, wait at least two months
after a heart attack, surgery, infection, injury or pregnancy to check
this blood level.

Apo B is a major protein found in cholesterol particles. New research
suggests ApoB may be a better overall marker of risk than LDL alone.

Probably the best bet would simply be to go to your doctor or perhaps
to one of those non-emergency emergency rooms, like Patient First.
Just ask to be tested for Apolipoprotein B (Apo B).

Since you have to draw blood for this test, who ever you go to will
simply send it off to the lab that they normally work with and will
use what ever test their lab normally uses to test for Apo B.

The final determination of what is best for the patient is both the
right and responsibility of the individual patient.
--
John Gohde,
Patient Empowerment Advocate
http://home.naturalhealthperspective...powerment.html
Email: Ngs[at]NaturalHealthPerspective.com
www.NaturalHealthPerspective.com - Pioneering De-Medicalization by
handing back the power to the people, encouraging self care and
autonomy, and resisting the categorization of life's problems as
medical.

so is there a test for ldl particle size?


"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time, our fellow Robert
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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So, your double-speak is stating that at the present time the typical
physician is a Quack soaking the unsuspecting public for all the mucho
dinero that they can get?

Gee, and here I thought that medicine was science-based.

Ha, ... Hah, Ha! Quack, Quack, Quack ... Goes the physician laughing
all the way to his bank.

Just thought that you might want to know.

Once upon a time, our fellow Robert
rambled on about "Re: Is a high cholesterol bad if the is a high
hdl?."
Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...

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And, it still remains that the size of her genetically determined LDL
particles will provide the answer to how dangerous her LDL is.

Just thought that you might want to know.

see below

Robert wrote:

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Don't listen to these NUTZO "know nut-in's!!! " Your LDL and HDL are
enviable if the above values are correct! I should wish devoutly for an
HDL
of 90 or better. Your ( a fasting level BTW) of LDL is also LOW by com-
parison to many NOT so lucky. Remember also that LDL is taken on a FASTING
level so it WILL be higher than if you had just eaten. It is used in the
digestion
process! Be your OWN master of cholesterol ceremonies here and find a
DOCTOR
' who knows his Balls from his nipples!!! If you want higher HDL eat lots of
shell fish
and crabs, lobsters etc. They are the best sources!! B-0b1 .

--
"Beaten Paths are for Beaten People". -- Anon.

"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[at]ffScience.com> wrote in message
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You been reading my posts to Nick about that. That's cheating on your part.
You are suppose to say like your buddy that it is the oxidized kind. He
didn't know what the hell I was talking about considering size. The size of
LDL is genetically determined so you can boil your eggs now and boil all
your food for that matter until you figure it all out.

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