In article <AOj_d.23988$OU1.8614[at]newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> ,
Phil Scott <philscott888[at]sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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It's nice to know that you have an open mind and have carefully
studied the new findings, as we can see from your tightly-
reasoned rebuttal. Otherwise, we might just have to dismiss you as
simply another flat-headed conspiracy nut.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Ed Friedman" <ed[at]math.uchicago.edu> wrote in message
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Third scenario:

There is scaremongering about Codex which is being pushed by the vitamin
industry so they can create an illusion of a shortage and raise the prices
sky higher.

Jeff wrote:
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This issue has been argued about before in this newsgroup, but you are
all missing one obvious point. If the point of the Codex is to improve
people's health, then they would ensure the accuracy of labels for
vitamins and minerals, and put warning labels on any dosage that they
disapprove of (just as cigarettes are still legal, but with warnings).
If, on the other hand, the point of the Codex is to maximize profits for
drug companies at the expense of the health of consumers, then it is
essential to make as many vitamins and minerals as possible illegal.

Ed Friedman

....and a lot of Alternative Practitioners have a problem with the poor
quality allopathic medicine practitioners deliver too.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Phil Scott" <philscott888[at]sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Isn't it better for people to eat healthier by eating raw foods instead of
eating limited specific vitamins?

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Most vitamins taken by people are pee'd out in the urine.
Expensive pee.

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"Phil Scott" <philscott888[at]sf.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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The anti-Codex forces are controlled by the supplement/herb/vitamin/magic
potion industries to create the appearance of false shortages so they can
justify a massive price hike on top of their already absurd prices.

"Jeff" <kidsdoc2000[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jeff... thats the codex propaganda... stay tuned for the
actual net result... already they are claiming theraeutic
doses of vitamin E do damage... a complete fabrication.

Phil Scott

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Spectacular article John... and congratulations on sorting
this mess out from the inside under the worst of
circumstances... what you say about the arrogance of our
medical proffession is common of course..also in other areas,
law..engineering and etc.

Hopefully with the internet the information such as you have
posted in this area and many others will be so pervasive that
it will not be possible to limit the use of nutrients...
meantime if there is raw vegitable juice and the physical
exercise you mentioned... and many of the nutrients if banned
in pill form can be found n other ways... a small consolation
but still something.

If vitamins are effectively banned in therapeutic doses, our
already aging and debilitated work force will get less
productive and our already collapsed tax base will go further
south...and the governments that try to enforce this bogus rip
off will not do well.... vitamins may still be available in
that case..

Meantime government will defund itself.

Impressive these people, no?

Congratulations again.


Phil Scott



"john" <nospamoridiotss[at]vaccine.con> wrote in message
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Educate yourself about this:

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

All that Codex does is ensure high quality. A lot of alternative medicine
people have a problem with delivering high quality.

Jeff

Urgent Appeal from an Orthomolecular Psychiatric Survivor: Vitamin Access
Threatened Globally
By John C. Hammell
President, International Advocates for Health Freedom
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/vitam...d16mar05.shtml
March 16, 2005

http://www.iahf.com/on_the_back_wards.html

On the back wards, where the sun doesn't shine, time is measured in the
burning of cigarettes. Drugged zombies pace listlessly past the peering eyes
of hospital staff who observe the pathetic scene from the other side of the
nurses station window, like people peering into an aquarium, taking
meaningless notes out of sheer ignorance.

Locked naked behind a two inch thick steel door, I felt sealed in a tomb
of hopelessness. I lay on the rubber mat in the corner, with muscles turned
to jello by an injection of a highly toxic neuroleptic drug called
thorazine. On the walls were obscenities scrawled in blood and excrement
from past prisoners in the seclusion room, and the fetid stench of stale
urine filled the air.

It was Christmas day, but I had no visitors, and the outside world seemed
hopelessly out of reach. In this setting, after being forced out of college
by my illness, I struggled for 4 long years to hang on to a shred of hope. I
badly wanted to resume a life put on hold, and hoped of some day having
access to orthomolecular medicine, a suppressed nutritional treatment mode
that had helped my aunt and several cousins to heal on a cellular level- via
the natural substances that comprise the proteins that make of each and
every one of our cells: vitamins, minerals, amino acids, trace elements, and
hormones.

My aunt Jane sent three books about orthomolecular medicine to the next to
the last hospital I was in. When they first arrived, I could not concentrate
well enough to read them, but felt an intrinsic pull to them and became
determined to do anything possible to bring about a sufficient physiological
change necessary to be able to concentrate at least enough to skim the books
so as to glean their essence.

The hospital had taken the one thing away from me that had been helping:
long distance running around the perimeter of the grounds. Release of the
neurotransmitter norepinephrine from the running had a natural
antidepressant effect, helped me detox from the toxic drugs they gave me,
and helped me cope with the stress of my situation so I could sleep at
night. They told me they were going to stop me from "running away from my
problems" and stuffed me on a locked ward- where I was the only non smoker.
After my eventual orthomolecular recovery, I was to learn that exposure to
cigarette smoke, (also to several foods) to which I am allergic, caused an
escalation in my histamine levels- which contributed enormously to my
debilitating symptoms.

On the locked ward, I compensated for running being taken away by doing
yoga, push ups, sit ups, tai chi, meditation, and prayer. To get away from
the cigarette smoke, I spent as much time as possible in my room with the
window open. I got so I could read with great difficulty- if I read with my
finger, and re-read a page at least 10 times, I could retain enough to go
onto the next page.

Via that means I struggled through Mental and Elemental Nutrients by Carl
C. Pfeiffer, MD, PhD after first reading an account by a fellow patient,
Mark Vonnegut, son of the famous writer Kurt Vonnegut, about how this man's
methods had helped him recover.

Since Pfeiffer had also helped my aunt and some cousins, I was more than a
little interested in trying this nutritional approach, but my doctor
arrogantly and vehemently insisted that it was "unproven quackery." I got
myself kicked out of that hospital by breaking all their rules in order to
get back to New Jersey, where I was put in another hospital which ALSO
wouldn't let me try orthomolecular medicine- but at least I was in the same
state as Pfeiffer, so figured I had a chance- if only I could go see him and
get lab tested.

My dad was dead set against this idea because physician friends of his
advised him that Pfeiffer was a "quack", but my mom was more open minded-
and she saved my life by taking me to Pfeiffer who did a battery of lab
tests that no one else had known how to do.

Armed with the proper nutrients, I smuggled them back in to the last
hospital I was in, and took them on the sly while mouthing my medication,
and spitting it down a toilet. I had to hide my vitamins in a cavity gouged
out from the underside of a foam mattress because they did room searches
searching for contraband- and if they'd found my vitamins, they would have
confiscated them as if they were cocaine or marijuana, having been
brainwashed into believing that any amount over the RDA merely gives us
"expensive urine."

After just three weeks of taking my supplements, I was doing so much
better that I was given a full medical discharge, with the doctors
scratching their heads, wondering which of their drugs had been helping me,
but none of them had been- I was spitting them all down the toilet where the
toxic substances belonged. That was 23 years ago.

WHAT PFEIFFER FOUND

Pfeiffer discovered that food and inhalant allergies caused me to have an
overproduction of histamine which is peripherally stored in basophils of the
blood and the tissue mast cells. Basophil counts greater than 50 cells/cu mm
and histamine levels greater than 70 ng/ml (10 mcg%) are considered
diagnostic for histadelia. The average histamine for males was 111 mg/ml and
females 107 mg/ml in a study reported in 1975. My histamine levels were up
to 126. This is significantly different from normals: 42 and 46 mg/ml for
males and females respectively. Histadelia causes suicidal depression,
paranoia, and obsessive thinking.

The amino acid methionine detoxifies histamine by methylating the ring
structure forming N-methylhistamine. Calcium, taken in the form of calcium
salts reduces the release of the bodies store of histamine. Zinc and
manganese aid the calcium- methionine program and provide sufficient relief.

Pfeiffer also discovered that I had very high aluminum levels, and copper
levels, as well as overproduction of an enzyme called kryptopyrolle. This
enzyme robbed me of zinc, a copper antagonist that I needed to eliminate
excess copper which was having an excitory effect on the brain as an
electrolyte, contributing to my difficulty concentrating, to thought
disorder as well as to my severe depression. In essence: high copper levels
were shorting out my brain, interfering with neural firing. Zinc, Manganese,
and vitamin C all help to lower a copper burden. The amino acids l-tyrosine,
and l-tryptophan boost norepeniphrine and dopamine levels respectively, also
helping to alleviate depression.

I have barely scratched the surface of telling my story here, but I hope
it is sufficient to lead other suffering people to the help they need.
Meanwhile, please help STOP a global pharmaceutically instigated threat to
ban our access to these safe healing nutrients:

URGENT GLOBAL HEALTH FREEDOM ALERT-

The EU Vitamin and Herb Directives, as well as the Medicines Directive
threaten to ban people's access to the nutrients that helped me heal, and
which enable me to maintain my health in the face of genetic biochemical
imbalances. They threaten the lives and health of people not only in the EU,
but due to the EU regs threatened impact on globalized regulations via the
UN's Codex Alimentarius Commission- people all over the world, including all
Americans. American vitamin companies have been lied to on this issue by
their pharmaceutically dominated trade associations. We must wake them up
fast!

It is therefore essential that freedom loving people world wide actively
oppose these draconian, pharmaceutically biased regulations. People in the
UK (and world wide) should join http://www.healthfreedommovement.com and
take this to the streets. Also in the UK see
http://www.alliance-natural-health.org Vitamin consumers world wide should
contribute to these organizations which are on the front lines of the global
battle to defend access to dietary supplements. Also please see
http://www.laleva.cc and sign the petition.

John Hammell


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About the author:

John Hammell is President of International Advocates for Health Freedom
http://www.iahf.com POB 10632 Blacksburg, VA 24062 USA 540-961-0476
jham[at]iahf.com John is a grass roots health freedom activist/organizer,
political lobbyist/writer, and consultant to the dietary supplement
industry. John was on the ad hoc Advisory Board that created the National
Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes
of Health, USA http://nccam.nih.gov/ and is one of the authors of
Alternative Medicine: Expanding Medical Horizons A Report to the NIH on
Alternative Medical Systems and Practices in the United States c. '92 US
Government Printing Office http://www.access.gpo.gov ISBN 0-16-045479-4 John
was kicked off the US Delegation to the UN's Codex Alimentarius Commission's
Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Use for being a
whistleblower attempting to expose FDA's criminal efforts to set the USA up
to lose in a WTO Trade Dispute via which US supplement laws are threatened
with harmonization to a mindless international standard. Many of John's
articles have appeared in Life Extension Magazine http://www.lef.org

Additional Web Based Information: Orthomolecular Medicine

http://www.orthomed.org International Society of Orthomolecular Medicine,
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, Canadian Schizophrenia Foundation,

Links to more info http://www.orthomed.org/links/web.htm

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/default_1.htm Safe Harbor-
Alternative Mental Health Online

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/directory/ Resources Directory-
includes lists of practitioners and orthomolecular clinics

http://www.dr-rath-research.org/home/index.php A wealth of information
from Matthias Rath, MD who along with Linus Pauling developed the Solution
to Human Cardiovascular Disease- the world's number one killer. Also see
health freedom information.

http://www.truehope.com/ Synergy Group of Canada- Foundation started by
Tony Stephan in aftermath of his wife's suicide, stemming from successful
efforts to help his children find nutritional answers to their biochemical
imbalances- Very inspirational

Books:

Mental and Elemental Nutrients Pfeiffer, Carl C, MD, PhD; Keats c.'75 ISBN
0-87983-114-6

Nutritional Influences on Mental Illness- A Sourcebook of Clinical
Research, c. '91 Werbach, Melvyn R, MD Third Line Press, Inc., 4751 Viviana
Dr., Tarzana CA 91356 USA ISBN 0-961-8550-1-0

The Schizophrenias- Ours to Conquer - Pfeiffer, Carl C, MD, PhD; Mailloux,
Richard, B.S., Forsythe, Linda, B.A. c.'70 BioCommunications Press 3100
N.Hillside Ave. Wichita KS 67219 USA ISBN 0-942333-02-0

A Physician's Handbook on Orthomolecular Medicine edited by Williams,
Roger K with Kalita, Dwight K, introduction by Hoffer, Abram, MD Keats, c. '
77 ISBN 0-87983-199-5

Diet Related to Killer Diseases, V, Nutrition and Mental Health- Hearing
Before the Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs of the United
States Senate- 95th Congress, first session, June 22, 1977- Mental Health
and Mental Development- 1980 Update c. 1980 Parker House- 2340 Parker St.,
Berkeley CA 94704

Library of Congress Catalog # 79-57366

The Way Up From Down Slagle, Priscilla, MD c.'87 Random House, NY ISBN
0-394-55194-X

Common Questions on Schizophrenia- And Their Answers Hoffer, Abram, MD,
PhD, c.87 Keats ISBN 0-87983-378-5

Biochemical Individuality the Basis for the Genotrophic Concept Williams,
Roger J.PhD c.'56 , 7th printing '79 Originally published by John Wiley and
Sons, Reprinted- University of Texas Press- ISBN 0-292-70022-9

How to Live With Schizophrenia Hoffer, Abram, MD, PhD; Osmond, Humphrey,
MRCS, D.P.M c.74 Citadel Press ISBN 0-8065-0665-2

The Roots of Molecular Medicine A Tribute to Linus Pauling, Based on a
Symposium presented on May 7-8 1983 in San Francisco by the Orthomolecular
Medical Society edited by Huemer, Richard P., MD c.'86 W.H. Freeman & Co.
ISBN 0-7167-1761-1

An Alternative Approach to Allergies The New Field of Clinical Ecology
Unravels the Environmental Causes of Mental and Physical Ills - Randolph,
Theron G, MD; Moss, Ralph W, PhD c.90 Harper & Row ISBN 0-06-091693-1

Molecules of Emotion- The Science Behind Mind-Body Medicine, Pert, Candace
B., PhD c.'97 Simon and Schuster Inc, ISBN 0-684-846-34-9