"montygram" <nazztrader[at]lycos.com> wrote in message news:1123876257.755069.117130[at]z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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And animal fat and protein (meat)?

'Asia Pacific J Clin Nutr (1996) Vol5, No 1: 2-9
Intestinal flora and human health
Tomotari Mitsuoka, DVM, PhD
Professor Emeritus, The University of Tokyo, Japan
...
Other intestinal bacteria produce substances that are harmful to
the host, such as putrefactive products, toxins and carcinogenic
substances. When harmful bacteria dominate in the intestines,
essential nutrients are not produced and the level of harmful
substances rises. These substances may not have an immediate
detrimental effect on the host but they are thought to be
contributing factors to ageing, promoting cancer, liver and kidney
disease, hypertension and arteriosclerosis, and reduced immunity.
...
Dietary factors are considered important environmental risk
determinants for colorectal cancer development. From
epidemiological observations, a high fat intake is associated
positively and a high fibre intake negatively with colorectal cancer.
This is thought to occur by the following mechanisms. From food
components in the gastrointestinal tract, organisms produce
various carcinogens from the dietary components and endogenous
substances, detoxify carcinogens, or enhance the host's immune
function, which results in changes in the incidence of cancers. The
ingestion of large amounts of animal fat enhances bile secretion,
causing an increase in bile acid and cholesterol in the intestine.
These increased substances are converted by intestinal bacteria
into secondary bile acids, their derivatives, aromatic polycyclic
hydrocarbons, oestrogen and epoxides derivatives that are
related to carcinogenesis. Various tryptophan metabolites (indole,
skatole, 3-hydroxykinurenine, 3-hydroxyanthranilic acid, etc.)
phenols, amines, and nitroso compounds produced by intestinal
bacteria from protein also participate in carcinogenesis (Fig. 5).
...'
http://elecpress.monash.edu.au /APJCN/Vol5/Num1/51p02.htm#top

['Carnivores have a much higher concentration of hydrochloric
acid in the stomach for break down of proteins and to kill
any dangerous bacteria. Their stomach acidity is less than or
equal to pH 1 with food in the stomach, while humans have
a pH 4 to 5. '
http://www.b-naturals.com/win00.htm ]

''According to Harper's Biochemistry, the putrefaction bacteria
in the large intestine convert amino acids from undigested protein
into toxic amines or ptomaines, such as cadaverine (from lysine),
agmatine (from arginine), tyramine (from tyroseine), putrescine
(from orithine) and histamine (from histidine). And these amines
are "powerful vasopressor substances". Tryptophan undergoes a
series of reactions to form indole and methylindole (skatole), which
produces the distinctive putrefying faecal smell of a high protein diet.
The sulphur-containing amino acids (cysteine and methionine) are
transformed into mercaptans such as ethyl and methyl mercaptan
as well as hydrogen sulphide (H2S). All these compounds are very
poisonous and unpleasant. Phosphatidylcholine, only found in meats,
breaks down into choline and the related toxic amines such as neurine. ..

... plant protein is less digestible .. because it is found in the tough
cellulose walls of plant cells which pass through the gut undigested
if not sufficiently masticated. These proteins are not available as
soil for putrefying bacteria in the bowel. Animal protein wastes are
highly bioavailable to putrefying bowel bacteria since they have no
cellulose cell wall.
...'
http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veg anmc/protein.htm

Got free radicals?

'Because waste products such as hydrogen sulfide, ammonia,
histamines, phenols and indoles are toxic, the body's defense
mechanisms try to eliminate them by releasing neutrophils
(a type of leukocyte, or white corpuscle). These neutrophils
produce active oxygen, oddball oxygen molecules that are
capable of scavenging disintegrating tissues by gathering
electrons from the molecules of toxic cells.

Problems arise, however, when too many of these active
oxygen molecules, or free radicals, are produced in the body.
They are extremely reactive and can also attach themselves
to normal, healthy cells and damage them genetically. These
active oxygen radicals steal electrons from normal, healthy
biological molecules. This electron theft by active oxygen
oxidizes tissue and can cause disease.

OXODIZED TISSUE LEADS TO:

Liver - Hepatitis, cirrhosis, cancer

Pancreas - Pancreatitis, diabetes, cancer

Kidney - Nephritis, nephrosis, cancer

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/alkalinewater.html

RBR wrote:

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You do not need basic science to figure this one out, Montygram. What
people, if any, would cook with coconut oil? Would they not need a lot
of coconut trees?

Believe me, but the only people cooking with coconut oil are Kooks,
like you.

You have my condolences.

On 12 Aug 2005 12:50:57 -0700, "montygram" <nazztrader[at]lycos.com>
wrote:

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Which Asians would you be talking about? Certainly not the Chinese. I
was communicating with a lady who spent a month in China and managed
to visit many rural areas. Her observation was that the most common
oil used in cooking was Chinese Rape seed oil.

I don't believe the Vietnamese cook with coconut oil nor do the
Japanese. The Thai people use coconut milk in many of their curries as
do South Indians.


RBR

It's about the unsaturated fatty acids in the high fat diets, and the
lack of antioxidant protection for them (found in berries, dark
chocolate, etc.). The statistics demonstrate this; Asians on very high
coconut diets have very low rates of all "chronic diseases," because
the coconut is 92% saturated (so no free radical degradation) and it's
easy to tell when coconut is going rancid, unlike highly refined oils
Westerners use (as well as the high temperature cooking while exposed
to air).

Study: Diet May Help Fight Prostate Cancer
By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer
Thu Aug 11, 2005

WASHINGTON - A radical ultra low-fat diet and other lifestyle changes may
help keep early-stage prostate cancer from worsening, says the first
attempt to test the theory.

It's a small study that tracked men whose tumors weren't aggressive.
Still, the research, published in the September issue of The Journal of
Urology, promises to increase interest in whether diet might really help
battle cancer.

The study was led by heart-health guru Dr. Dean Ornish, and used his
famously strict regimen, where people become vegetarians, limit dietary
fat to 10 percent of total calories, exercise regularly and learn
stress-management techniques such as yoga.

Ornish's studies show that regimen can help heart disease, but why try it
on prostate cancer? There is some evidence that diets high in fat increase
the risk of prostate cancer, and that certain foods - such as broccoli, or
the nutrient lycopene from cooked tomato products - are protective.

So Ornish and fellow researchers at the University of California, San
Francisco, recruited 93 men who had decided against treatment for
early-stage prostate cancer, a route known as "watchful waiting."

Half were randomly assigned to the Ornish diet and lifestyle regimen; the
others weren't asked to vary their usual routines. The researchers sent
participants' blood samples to Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in
New York to measure PSA, or prostate specific antigen, a marker used to
track prostate cancer growth.

After one year, PSA levels had decreased 4 percent in the diet group -
unusual for untreated patients - while PSA levels rose by 6 percent in the
control group. That difference wasn't big but it's statistically
significant, and the researchers plan to continue tracking the men to see
if it really signals better health.

Also, six of the non-dieters had undergone cancer treatment in that year
after all, because their disease was progressing. None of the dieters were
treated.

Other cellular tests suggested the diet wasn't just affecting PSA
production, Ornish said.

"It's hard to get too excited about these results because you took a
population of men who, frankly, are likely to do well no matter what,"
cautioned Dr. Durado Brooks of the American Cancer Society. But, "this
definitely should open the door to more research."

"This report undoubtedly will excite the aficionados and devotees of
lifestyle changes for cancer but it should also give pause to the
skeptics," wrote Dr. Paul Lange of the University of Washington in an
accompanying editorial.

Indeed, it comes just months after another study suggested low-fat diets
might help women avoid a recurrence of breast cancer.

Ornish stressed that his study, partly government-funded, doesn't mean men
should opt for diet over conventional therapy.

But these men weren't getting conventional treatment anyway, allowing a
clearer test of dietary effects, he explained. The diet may help men
undergoing therapy, too, he added.

"I always find it amusing" that people call the diet hard, Ornish said.
"Compared to having your prostate removed? ... The only side effects are
you feel better and it helps prevent heart disease."

More than 230,000 U.S. men are expected to be diagnosed with prostate
cancer this year, and 29,500 will die, the cancer society estimates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050811/...rostate_cancer