Kumar wrote:

"Tongue color usually dark "beefy" red
o Pale, if caused by pernicious anemia
o Fiery red, if caused by deficiency of B vitamins
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001053.htm "

Can you tell about about difference in three type of above symptms?
Today, we may look many people esp. young with Fiery red tongue(lips
also).

monty1945[at]lycos.com wrote:
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Good though. To me, it looks that what goes on in digestive tract it
bit less attended currently. But today most may not care for natural
healing but may want quick results, though may come out to be harmful
in long term. On other side, some risk alike "shocking effect" may be
involved in other types of healings than modern healings...as nature
may support "survival of fittest". It is upto us what to follow. I feel
a via-media may be possible.

Kumar:

I would just like to know if you ever considered the possibility that a
simple dietary change could render all of this "research" obsolete,
because if it is the case that a diet rich in certain kinds of fatty
acids and also oxidized cholesterol is to blame, then why bother with
all these claims about "markers," "endpoints," "associations," etc.?
If the molecular-level evidence is clear, which it is, why not at least
try to follow up on the dietary implications of it? I have for several
years now, and the results are amazing. When I was younger, I never
thought a dietary change could cause my chronic problems to vanish, and
if this did not occur, I doubt that I would still be posting here. I
was trained in grad. school not to waste my time with minor
differences, but the differences are so great (and the evidence so
clear) that I continue to try and reach people like yourself.

Visit my web site if you decide that a fresh look at the evidence is
worth your time:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificDebateForum-

monty1945[at]lycos.com wrote:
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Sorry, you felt like that. Pls consider my thoght as one probable
possible reason to indicated effect due to systemic inflammation. There
can be other reasons.

Can ESR/CRP be elevated due to cell's swellings by hypotonicity of
blood showing PCV near to lower normal range? If yes, can it effect
blod flow to some parts?

What nation are the two of you from? Aren't you aware that those on
diets very rich in saturated fatty acids (such as coconut oil) but very
low in unsaturated fatty acids and oxidized cholesterol have hardly any
diabetes, heart disease, etc?

Do you realize that on such a diet, there would be no "inflammatory"
problems? Do you know that SFAs cannot be made into the inflammatory
molecules in question (such as LTB4) but that the common dietary omega
6 PUFA, linoleic, is used for this (and that Western diets are now very
rich in linoleic acid)?

After reading your posts for a while now, I suspect that you have
closed your mind, Kumar, to undeniable, unquestioned, molecular-level
evidence that demonstrates clearly what is occurring. My only interest
is why people such as yourself have closed your minds. After all, this
is antithetical to the scientific method, and you are posting on a
newsgroup that is supposed to be based upon science.

pls let me know this reply is in responce to what
i would also like to participate in discussions like these
kind regards
Kumar wrote:
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Hello,

It was discussed that there can be VAT mediated systemic inflammations
due to release of inflamatory cytokines by VAT(visceral adipose
tissues). As such, markers of inflammation i.e.ESR,CRP etc. can remain
elevated in diabetic2 with indulin resistance.

However diabetics with persisting hyperglycemia may also retain more
water in blood which may cause hypotonicity of blood resulting into
possible cells/erythrocyte's swelling. PCV may also be effected due to
changed tonicity of blood.

As such, whether such cell's swelling due to hyperglycemia oriented
retention of water in blood can happen ans can such cell swelings also
raise ESR and CRP readings?

Can such cell swelling also cause vascular inflammation and decreased
supply to tissues?

Best wishes.