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of anything you've EVER posted supports your crackpot ideas.
Your crackpot ideas are wrong.
.. <<

Well .. that is standing up like a .. man .. all right ..
That might explain the high rate of .. hermaphroditism .. in the
UK ..

Eh ..


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Tom, those that haven't killfiled you, laugh at you.

Nothing of anything you've EVER posted supports your crackpot ideas.
Your crackpot ideas are wrong.

On Nov 3, 7:23 pm, ferr...[at]paris.com wrote:
"WHAT **part** of this .. very SHORT .. abstract does NOT support the
hypothesis."
This part:
..
"Disturbances in this equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced
absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences." <<

That part .. ?

That's easy .. sooo .. either you're lying .. or you're .. stupid ..

Sooo .. seeing that you are trying to be a medical professional .. the
chances of you BEING .. **both** are pretty .. fkg .. good ..

Aren't they ..


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For years mr. justice has spent hours each day looking for abstracts
which have iron and some disorder mentioned. Those are the abnormal
cases, not the normal cases.

The normal case is that iron levels are controled at the gut and by
storage in the body. The genetic abnormal disorders wich don't allow
this to work correctly can lead to problems.

Normal means as the great majority of people are, not the few with the
genetic disorders of iron control.

The iron notion is dead as a dodo. Oh, oh, the hours upon hours for all
those years wasted and gone forever.

Now, what about this new altitude notion, hmmm?

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

"WHAT **part** of this .. very SHORT .. abstract does NOT support the
hypothesis."

This part:

"Normal iron homeostasis is a finely balanced system that reflects iron
absorption, loss and utilization. The body has no mechanism for the
active excretion of iron, so body iron levels are controlled at the
point of absorption in the small intestine. Disturbances in this
equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences."

"controlled at the point of absorption"

"controlled at the point of absorption"

"controlled at the point of absorption"

I think that pretty well sums it up, the iron notion is refuted. Only in
disorders of the normal situation does iron build up and can cause
problems.

Only in disorders of normal internal iron storage does free iron cause
problems.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

On Nov 3, 11:59 am, ferr...[at]paris.com wrote:"controlled at the point
of absorption"
I think that pretty well sums it up, <<

"Disturbances in this equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced
absorption, can have significant clinical consequences. "

Now explain what part of that don't you understand.

It says .. "WHEN there is a problem with increased iron absorption
"..

Now I wonder why he would .. say .. "WHEN there is a problem with
enhanced iron absorption ".. IF .. there WAS .. **no** .. problem
with "enhanced iron absorption" .. ?

He's .. wrong .. too .. ?

You are a smart .. guy ..

Everyone is wrong .. YOU .. are .. right .. ?

How come I find THAT hard to .. believe ..?

Because YOU have shown no .. ability .. at .. all ..

Sooo .. the chances of you BEING .. right .. ?

Are pretty fkg .. slim .. there .. buddy ..

Heh .. heh ..

Maybe you should answer this question .. ?
Manky cannot ..
Maybe some American medical guy can do .. better .. ?

---------------- WHAT **part** of this .. very SHORT .. abstract does NOT support the
hypothesis.

And remember that heme iron / blood iron / iron bound chemically to
heme / found only in meat / binds to other iron and makes it absorb
TOO .. you know what iron I'm talking about .. that iron that causes
a
disturbance in the equilibrium OF the iron in the body leading to
high
iron levels in the body.


You know .. blood ingestion / eating of blood .. THAT iron which
leads
to enhanced absorption.. ?
You know what iron I'm talking about ..?
Do ya .. ?
That iron that causes a disturbance in the equilibrium OF the iron in
the body .. ?


"Disturbances in this equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced
absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences. "



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On Nov 3, 11:43 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...[at]be.joking> wrote:blah,
blah, blah.....wrong.
<<

I called you out .. before ..

I called you out to act like a fkg .. man ..

You failed to do .. that ..

And .. again .. when called upon to act .. just .. act like a fkg ..
man ..

You .. fold .. **again** ...

One kinda wonders WHY you aren't speaking .. German ..

Let me .. repeat .. the question ..

WHAT **part** of this .. very SHORT .. abstract does NOT support the
hypothesis.


This should be .. good.


And remember that heme iron / blood iron / iron bound chemically to
heme / found only in meat / binds to other iron and makes it absorb
TOO .. you know what iron I'm talking about .. that iron that causes
a
disturbance in the equilibrium OF the iron in the body leading to
high
iron levels in the body.


You know .. blood ingestion / eating of blood .. THAT iron which
leads
to enhanced absorption.. ?
You know what iron I'm talking about ..?
Do ya .. ?
That iron that causes a disturbance in the equilibrium OF the iron in
the body .. ?


"Disturbances in this equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced
absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences. "


Jeez .. sorta like .. that .. ?




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"Normal iron homeostasis is a finely balanced system that reflects iron
absorption, loss and utilization. The body has no mechanism for the
active excretion of iron, so body iron levels are controlled at the
point of absorption in the small intestine. Disturbances in this
equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences."

"controlled at the point of absorption"

"controlled at the point of absorption"

"controlled at the point of absorption"

I think that pretty well sums it up, the iron notion is refuted. Only in
disorders of the normal situation does iron build up and can cause
problems.

Only in disorders of internal iron storage does free iron cause
problems.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

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blah, blah, blah.....wrong.

live with it.

On Nov 2, 2:08 pm, "Manky Badger" <you.m...[at]be.joking> wrote: these
articles you quote don't support your theories.
<<

Let's just try to figure out how the mind of a UK .. medical guy ..
works .. there .. manky .. ?

WHAT **part** of this .. very SHORT .. abstract does NOT support the
hypothesis.

This should be .. good.

And remember that heme iron / blood iron / iron bound chemically to
heme / found only in meat / binds to other iron and makes it absorb
TOO .. you know what iron I'm talking about .. that iron that causes a
disturbance in the equilibrium OF the iron in the body leading to high
iron levels in the body.

You know .. blood ingestion / eating of blood .. THAT iron which leads
to enhanced absorption.. ?
You know what iron I'm talking about ..?
Do ya .. ?
That iron that causes a disturbance in the equilibrium OF the iron in
the body .. ?

"Disturbances in this equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced
absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences. "

Jeez .. sorta like .. that .. ?

Am J Hematol. 2007 Oct 26; [Epub ahead of print]
Mechanisms of iron loading and toxicity.
Anderson GJ.
Iron Metabolism Laboratory, Queensland Institute of Medical Research,
Brisbane Queensland, Australia.

Normal iron homeostasis is a finely balanced system that reflects
iron
absorption, loss and utilization. The body has no mechanism for the
active excretion of iron, so body iron levels are controlled at the
point of absorption in the small intestine. Disturbances in this
equilibrium, such as those leading to enhanced absorption, can have
significant clinical consequences. Continued excessive iron uptake is
followed by iron deposition in various tissues, ultimately leading to
tissue damage, and possibly end-organ failure. In this review,
current
concepts in normal iron homeostasis, and iron loading are explained.
The clinical consequences as well as the differences between primary
and secondary iron loading are also reviewed, and some future
research
priorities are discussed. Am. J. Hematol., 2007. (c) 2007 Wiley-Liss,
Inc.


PMID: 17963252 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


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Tom - these articles you quote don't support your theories.
You don't understand them.
You are wrong.

It really is that simple.
Now get over it.

I don't need any articles, though I do have them. All the evidence to
refute the iron notion comes alone from your own hand because you do not
understand most posts you make at their fundimental level.

In the past week you have posted 3 articles that refute the iron notion
by saying that the body regulates iron levels and iron doesn't increase
and increase willy nilly.

The iron notion is dead as a dodo. A moment of silence please; ok
that's enough.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

On Nov 2, 1:05 am, "Manky Badger" <you.m...[at]be.joking> wrote:

Oh for crying out loud. <<

YOUR opinion is .. worth .. something .. ?

I think .. not ..

Of course .. I could be .. wrong ..

But it doesn't happen very often .. the odds .. show ..

Sooo ... my opinion of YOU .. is .. **worth** something ..

That's based on .. merit ..

Soooo .. buddy ..

You already KNOW my opinion of .. you ..

Do I need to repeat it .. ?


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<ironjustice[at]aol.com> wrote in message
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Oh for crying out loud.

Tom - these articles you quote don't support your theories.
You don't understand them.
You are wrong.

It really is that simple.
Now get over it.

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Well with all those researchers NOW giving the best .. home alone ..
look they can give means .. ?

This one article you have kinda .. mirrors .. the ONE .. article I had
over so many years ago .. and NOW you have one article .. and I have
more articles and researchers than you can shake a stick .. at.

Jeez .. saying it out loud like that ..

Heh .. heh ..


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Well .. personally .. science .. logic and **reason** hasn't failed
me .. yet ..

Soo .. let's see what we have .. we have a disease which is going to
strike .. 1 out of three of those of this generation ..

We have an NIH clinical trial .. running .. AT this very moment
testing iron depletion in that very disease.

Sooo .. contrary to the .. "notion being dead" .. logic , reason ,
science seems to sayyy .. at the very **least** the .. jury is ..out.

And seeing there was no .. jury .. before .. means .. ?

I'se .. winnin' .. and YOU'RE .. losing ..

Now .. isn't that a bummer for .. you ..

Eh ..

How does that feel to BE the perpetual .. loser ..

Describe .. it ..


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"heme iron"

The first article I saw dated 2000 showed that this form of iron
specifically was being controlled at the gut so as to maintain iron
levels in the body. This was before the enzyme that controls all iron
at the gut was found.

The name of that article and a bit of its conclusion showing this
specific fact was posted before. But true to form it was ignored.

The iron notion is dead as a dodo, a moment of silence please; ok that's
enough.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

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I notice you didn't answer the question ..
Let me repeat it ..

You seem to .. enjoy .. ? ... not distinguishing **between** .. blood
iron / heme iron and iron supplements or the iron found in your
vegetables and .. dirt.
WHY .. is .. that .. ?

Explain .. that ..

OR .. simply .. fo ..

You .. believe .. heme iron IS .. controlled .. ?

Is that what you are saying .. ?

According to your .. mind .. there is no .. **difference** in
ABSORPTION .. of .. heme iron as opposed to the iron supplements or
the iron found in your vegetables and .. dirt .. ?

You **disagree** with the researchers who say ..

<<snip> >
"it is probable that a chronically high intake of heme iron can lead
to high body iron stores and thus may elevate the risk of diabetes,"
the authors said. "
<<snip> >


That is very good ..

Place the studies HERE .. that disagree with the above ..

Just a couple to offset the flurry of articles which will closely
follow your .. articles .. because .. ?

Your articles will be .. **doctored** .. won't they ..

I wonder why they use the phrase .. doctored .. when they refer to
something .. which some might consider to be a .. **crime** .. ?

You think whoever coined that phrase knew long before anyone ..
that .. is PRECISELY what doctors .. are .. ?

Remember the pediatricians .. ?

I think they said 17% of them lied to gain money .. ?

Money they are paid to .. doctor .. fraudulently .. ?

Do I have to place it .. again .. ?

Nah .. its' embarrassing enough just .. saying .. it .. out .. loud.


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Iron-rich foods raise heart risks for diabetics


Tue Jan 9, 2007 10:59pm ET


NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Consuming red meat and other foods high
in
"heme" iron, such as chicken liver, clams and oysters, appears to
increase the risk of heart disease in diabetics, researchers report
in
the journal Diabetes Care

It might be advisable that "patients with type 2 diabetes may limit
consumption of heme iron and red meat," lead investigator Dr. Lu Qi
told Reuters Health.

Dr. Qi of Harvard School of Public Health, Boston and colleagues note
that diabetes-related metabolic abnormalities may aggravate the
adverse
effects of excess iron on the heart. However, they add, little is
known
about whether iron consumption also affects heart disease risk.

To investigate further, the researchers followed 6,161 women
participating in the Nurses' Health Study, and who reported a
diagnosis
of type 2 diabetes. During follow-up from 1980 through 2000, the team
documented 550 new cases of heart disease.

After accounting for age and body weight, high intake of both heme
iron
and red meat appeared to increase the risk of heart disease.
Specifically, women who consumed the highest amount of heme iron were
50 percent more likely to develop heart disease than those with the
lowest intake. The risks were greatest in women who were
postmenopausal.

The researchers point out that because of the study's design, the
findings can't prove that high heme iron intake "causes" heart
disease,
only that it is "associated" with the disease.

Still, they note that cutting back on consumption of heme iron-rich
foods might be prudent for diabetics.


SOURCE: Diabetes Care, January 2007

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Recently on the same day mr. justice posted two articles with about the
same point. In the past several years research on iron control has
discovered that iron levels are controlled by how much is absorbed from
the gut. The enzyme that does this has been discovered. Disorders in
this process, many genetic, can cause iron build up.

The iron notion is dead as a dodo, a moment of silence please.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.

On Nov 1, 5:57 am, ferr...[at]paris.com wrote:
One way the body controls iron levels is by how it adsorbs from the
gut. <<

You seem to .. enjoy .. ? ... not **distinguishing** between .. blood
iron / heme iron and iron supplements or the iron found in your
vegetables and .. dirt.
WHY .. is .. that .. ?

Explain .. that ..

OR .. simply .. fo ..

Pretty simple to do ..

Just place the answer here .. {I am an asshole}

Sht .. I did it again ..

Your homework that .. is ..

You are a sneaky .. guy ..

Anybody ever tell you that before .. ?

I doubt if anyone ever used such a nice term to describe a lying
pcofsht like yourself .. eh .

Heh .. heh ..

Like I said .. before ..

If you didn't write it down ..

Fk U .. cowboy ..


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One way the body controls iron levels is by how it adsorbs from the gut.
This destroys the iron notion that iron levels build up willy nilly from
the diet.

This information was revealed in addition to other posts by mr. justice
himself in two posts on the same day which he did not understand at a
fundimental level, as usual. The go to the top of the iron hall of
shame list of posts which he does which destroy the iron notion.

The iron notion is a dead dodo, all that remains is to fill the dirt in
the hole.

Jesus ate a mediterranean diet.