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Old 11-09-2007, 01:45 PM
Dave
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of an Important Raw Food

On Nov 9, 6:45 am, "t" <tool...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
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> "Mark Thorson" <nos...[at]sonic.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4733B2AE.FD5AD63D[at]sonic.net...
>
> > t wrote:

>
> > > "Mark Thorson" <nos...[at]sonic.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4733B090.4C61E9AA[at]sonic.net...
> > > > Dave wrote:

>
> > > > > As usual, the normal Pharma Boy response, cluttering up the Usenet,
> > > > > cross posted to other groups, etc.

>
> > > > Name-calling noted. That is your trademark when
> > > > you can't provide a fact-based response to defend
> > > > your "articles".

>
> > > > For example:

>
> > > > Take the recent case of curcumin, for which you wrote
> > > > an "article" extolling its virtues. Did you leave out
> > > > the information that it is an inhibitor of the two most
> > > > important drug-metabolizing and drug-transporting enzymes
> > > > (CYP3A4 and P-gp) because you were ignorant of that, or
> > > > did you leave it out because you didn't want to hurt
> > > > sales of curcumin-based supplements? Curcumin can
> > > > increase the potency of drugs by retarding their
> > > > transport out of the body and destruction in the liver.
> > > > For drugs with a low therapeutic index (small difference
> > > > between an effective dose and a lethal dose), this
> > > > could have disasterous consequences. When I provide
> > > > this information, you call that "trolling".

>
> > > > As another example, you recently posted an "article"
> > > > on tocotrienols, which have the reverse effect. They
> > > > activate the steroid and xenobiotic receptor (SXR)
> > > > which increases the expression of CYP3A4, the main
> > > > drug-metabolizing enzyme in the liver. Other SXR
> > > > activators have been shown to cause diminished
> > > > effectiveness of drugs, resulting in failure of
> > > > contraceptive drugs to prevent pregnancy and failure
> > > > of the anti-rejection drug cyclosporine to prevent
> > > > organ rejection. Again, did you omit that information
> > > > because you were ignorant of it, or did you omit that
> > > > information because you were afraid it would hurt
> > > Not everyone is a drug user like you. So it might not be a problem for
> > > non-druggies.

>
> Drug induced rantings should be ignored.


Here's a comment that someone else sent me today via email:

Thanks for your editorial about the sad plight of raw almonds. We need
to develop some kind of action plan, like a lobbying group to get a
raw food labeling law and the funding necessary to enforce it. I know
I'm dreaming, because the government doesn't even allocate enough
money to enforce the organic labeling law, as it is. I could go on and
on about all of this, including the fact that so much of our produce
is coming from overseas, where we can't know how its grown, and
because of which it has lost most of its nutrients by the time we buy
it (if we do). Not to mention that we don't know what treatments it's
being subjected to in order to be allowed into the US, treatments that
destroy its integrity. Is the only option for each of us to have an
organic garden and be self-sufficient? And what about those of us who
can't grow our own?

Judy Pokras
Editor/Founder
RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com

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Old 11-09-2007, 12:45 PM
t
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of a Contaminated Raw Food


"Mark Thorson" <nospam[at]sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4733B2AE.FD5AD63D[at]sonic.net...
- quote -

> t wrote:
> >
> > "Mark Thorson" <nospam[at]sonic.net> wrote in message
> > news:4733B090.4C61E9AA[at]sonic.net...
> > > Dave wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As usual, the normal Pharma Boy response, cluttering up the Usenet,
> > > > cross posted to other groups, etc.
> > >
> > > Name-calling noted. That is your trademark when
> > > you can't provide a fact-based response to defend
> > > your "articles".
> > >
> > > For example:
> > >
> > > Take the recent case of curcumin, for which you wrote
> > > an "article" extolling its virtues. Did you leave out
> > > the information that it is an inhibitor of the two most
> > > important drug-metabolizing and drug-transporting enzymes
> > > (CYP3A4 and P-gp) because you were ignorant of that, or
> > > did you leave it out because you didn't want to hurt
> > > sales of curcumin-based supplements? Curcumin can
> > > increase the potency of drugs by retarding their
> > > transport out of the body and destruction in the liver.
> > > For drugs with a low therapeutic index (small difference
> > > between an effective dose and a lethal dose), this
> > > could have disasterous consequences. When I provide
> > > this information, you call that "trolling".
> > >
> > > As another example, you recently posted an "article"
> > > on tocotrienols, which have the reverse effect. They
> > > activate the steroid and xenobiotic receptor (SXR)
> > > which increases the expression of CYP3A4, the main
> > > drug-metabolizing enzyme in the liver. Other SXR
> > > activators have been shown to cause diminished
> > > effectiveness of drugs, resulting in failure of
> > > contraceptive drugs to prevent pregnancy and failure
> > > of the anti-rejection drug cyclosporine to prevent
> > > organ rejection. Again, did you omit that information
> > > because you were ignorant of it, or did you omit that
> > > information because you were afraid it would hurt

> > Not everyone is a drug user like you. So it might not be a problem for
> > non-druggies.

>

Drug induced rantings should be ignored.


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Old 11-09-2007, 12:06 AM
Mark Thorson
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of a Contaminated Raw Food

t wrote:
- quote -

>
> "Mark Thorson" <nospam[at]sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:4733B090.4C61E9AA[at]sonic.net...
> > Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > As usual, the normal Pharma Boy response, cluttering up the Usenet,
> > > cross posted to other groups, etc.

> >
> > Name-calling noted. That is your trademark when
> > you can't provide a fact-based response to defend
> > your "articles".
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > Take the recent case of curcumin, for which you wrote
> > an "article" extolling its virtues. Did you leave out
> > the information that it is an inhibitor of the two most
> > important drug-metabolizing and drug-transporting enzymes
> > (CYP3A4 and P-gp) because you were ignorant of that, or
> > did you leave it out because you didn't want to hurt
> > sales of curcumin-based supplements? Curcumin can
> > increase the potency of drugs by retarding their
> > transport out of the body and destruction in the liver.
> > For drugs with a low therapeutic index (small difference
> > between an effective dose and a lethal dose), this
> > could have disasterous consequences. When I provide
> > this information, you call that "trolling".
> >
> > As another example, you recently posted an "article"
> > on tocotrienols, which have the reverse effect. They
> > activate the steroid and xenobiotic receptor (SXR)
> > which increases the expression of CYP3A4, the main
> > drug-metabolizing enzyme in the liver. Other SXR
> > activators have been shown to cause diminished
> > effectiveness of drugs, resulting in failure of
> > contraceptive drugs to prevent pregnancy and failure
> > of the anti-rejection drug cyclosporine to prevent
> > organ rejection. Again, did you omit that information
> > because you were ignorant of it, or did you omit that
> > information because you were afraid it would hurt

> Not everyone is a drug user like you. So it might not be a problem for
> non-druggies.


As I recall, you drink urine, therefore you should be safe.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:00 AM
t
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of a Contaminated Raw Food


"Mark Thorson" <nospam[at]sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4733B090.4C61E9AA[at]sonic.net...
- quote -

> Dave wrote:
> >
> > As usual, the normal Pharma Boy response, cluttering up the Usenet,
> > cross posted to other groups, etc.

>
> Name-calling noted. That is your trademark when
> you can't provide a fact-based response to defend
> your "articles".
>
> For example:
>
> Take the recent case of curcumin, for which you wrote
> an "article" extolling its virtues. Did you leave out
> the information that it is an inhibitor of the two most
> important drug-metabolizing and drug-transporting enzymes
> (CYP3A4 and P-gp) because you were ignorant of that, or
> did you leave it out because you didn't want to hurt
> sales of curcumin-based supplements? Curcumin can
> increase the potency of drugs by retarding their
> transport out of the body and destruction in the liver.
> For drugs with a low therapeutic index (small difference
> between an effective dose and a lethal dose), this
> could have disasterous consequences. When I provide
> this information, you call that "trolling".
>
> As another example, you recently posted an "article"
> on tocotrienols, which have the reverse effect. They
> activate the steroid and xenobiotic receptor (SXR)
> which increases the expression of CYP3A4, the main
> drug-metabolizing enzyme in the liver. Other SXR
> activators have been shown to cause diminished
> effectiveness of drugs, resulting in failure of
> contraceptive drugs to prevent pregnancy and failure
> of the anti-rejection drug cyclosporine to prevent
> organ rejection. Again, did you omit that information
> because you were ignorant of it, or did you omit that
> information because you were afraid it would hurt

Not everyone is a drug user like you. So it might not be a problem for
non-druggies.


  #1  
Old 11-08-2007, 11:57 PM
Mark Thorson
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of a Contaminated Raw Food

Dave wrote:
- quote -

>
> As usual, the normal Pharma Boy response, cluttering up the Usenet,
> cross posted to other groups, etc.


Name-calling noted. That is your trademark when
you can't provide a fact-based response to defend
your "articles".

For example:

Take the recent case of curcumin, for which you wrote
an "article" extolling its virtues. Did you leave out
the information that it is an inhibitor of the two most
important drug-metabolizing and drug-transporting enzymes
(CYP3A4 and P-gp) because you were ignorant of that, or
did you leave it out because you didn't want to hurt
sales of curcumin-based supplements? Curcumin can
increase the potency of drugs by retarding their
transport out of the body and destruction in the liver.
For drugs with a low therapeutic index (small difference
between an effective dose and a lethal dose), this
could have disasterous consequences. When I provide
this information, you call that "trolling".

As another example, you recently posted an "article"
on tocotrienols, which have the reverse effect. They
activate the steroid and xenobiotic receptor (SXR)
which increases the expression of CYP3A4, the main
drug-metabolizing enzyme in the liver. Other SXR
activators have been shown to cause diminished
effectiveness of drugs, resulting in failure of
contraceptive drugs to prevent pregnancy and failure
of the anti-rejection drug cyclosporine to prevent
organ rejection. Again, did you omit that information
because you were ignorant of it, or did you omit that
information because you were afraid it would hurt
the sales of tocotrienols? Which is it, Dave?
 
Old 11-08-2007, 08:00 PM
t
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of a Contaminated Raw Food

Snippety snip.


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Old 11-08-2007, 07:42 PM
Mark Thorson
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Default Re: The Untimely Death of a Contaminated Raw Food

Dave wrote:
- quote -

>
> Most of us who read and write about health subjects have touched on
> the health benefits of almonds. It's a great food -- but one that
> changes very dramatically, from good to bad, when heated. As Dr. Oz,
> Oprah's favorite physician has said, they should not be roasted
> because that can change the chemical composition of the almond oil,
> making it unhealthy.


Dr. Oz is not a reliable source of information.
He supports every unscientific idea in medicine,
such as reflexology, aromatherapy, etc. See this
for more information about this lunatic:

http://www.randi.org/jr/021805a.html

- quote -

> Heating almonds also destroys other beneficial
> nutrients. For those who are on a raw food diet,
> healthy almonds have been a staple.


What you don't mention and don't want to have mentioned
is the very good reason for treating the almonds.

http://www.cdc.gov/enterics/publicat...Dechet2004.pdf

An epidemic of salmonella was traced to eating raw
almonds. The new safeguards ensure this will not
happen again.

- quote -

> These kinds of "safe for human consumption" things always
> amaze me. Are you going to purposely ingest a component
> of race car fuel? No way . . .


Would you inhale a gas used as an oxidizer in
the Saturn V booster rocket? Would you drink
a solvent used to clean dirty laundry? Would
you wash yourself with a penetration aid used
for some insecticides?

I have no problem breathing oxygen, drinking
water, or washing with soap. Your "race car
fuel" alarmism falls flat on its ugly face.

Any argument which resorts to such intellectually
dishonest rhetoric is obviously a false
argument, and says more about the author
than the subject matter.
 

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