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Old 04-29-2008, 03:18 PM
MattLB
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

On Apr 28, 4:39 pm, Taka <taka0...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Apr 28, 10:01 pm, MattLB <mat...[at]angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2:47 am, Taka <taka0...[at]gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > For those who like it in pictures:

>
> > > http://www.biol.sc.edu/~bergerlab/gu...0610/DIXON.ppt

>
> > No surprise to discover it's just another sensationalist Taka heading
> > that isn't backed up by the link. Inflammation is what is being called
> > the secret killer, not arachidonic acid, and while you and Monty have
> > a very blinkered inflammation = arachidonic acid viewpoint the talk
> > actually focuses on COX-2 as being the big problem. COX-1 produces
> > beneficial effects with AA.

>
> > One slide even highlights the blind spot you both have, namely that
> > there has to be a stimulus to trigger phospholipase to release the AA.
> > It doesn't just happen. AA is literally and metaphorically the
> > messenger not the cause.

>
> > MattLB

>
> So tell us, MattLB, could there be a chronic degenerative inflammation
> WITHOUT AA?


"Chronic" and "degenerative" are verbal smokescreens, as inflammation
follows certain pathways which involve the prostaglandins from
arachidonic acid, whether they are long-term or not.

It's equivalent to saying "could there be acid reflux without stomach
acid?". The problem is inappropriate activation of something, not that
it exists at all.

MattLB
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

Where do you get your wisdom and patience with obsessed idiots, MattLB?
MikeV





"MattLB" <mattlb[at]angelfire.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 28, 2:47 am, Taka <taka0...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
> > For those who like it in pictures:
> >
> > http://www.biol.sc.edu/~bergerlab/gu...0610/DIXON.ppt

>
> No surprise to discover it's just another sensationalist Taka heading
> that isn't backed up by the link. Inflammation is what is being called
> the secret killer, not arachidonic acid, and while you and Monty have
> a very blinkered inflammation = arachidonic acid viewpoint the talk
> actually focuses on COX-2 as being the big problem. COX-1 produces
> beneficial effects with AA.
>
> One slide even highlights the blind spot you both have, namely that
> there has to be a stimulus to trigger phospholipase to release the AA.
> It doesn't just happen. AA is literally and metaphorically the
> messenger not the cause.
>
> MattLB



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Old 04-29-2008, 03:05 AM
Taka
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

On Apr 29, 1:23 pm, "mike V" <mi...[at]spammedagain.com> wrote:
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> Where do you get your wisdom and patience with obsessed idiots, MattLB?
> MikeV


Have you forgotten taking your daily dose of fish oil to calm you
down, MikeV?
Taka
  #83  
Old 04-28-2008, 04:39 PM
Taka
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

On Apr 28, 10:01 pm, MattLB <mat...[at]angelfire.com> wrote:
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> On Apr 28, 2:47 am, Taka <taka0...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For those who like it in pictures:

>
> > http://www.biol.sc.edu/~bergerlab/gu...0610/DIXON.ppt

>
> No surprise to discover it's just another sensationalist Taka heading
> that isn't backed up by the link. Inflammation is what is being called
> the secret killer, not arachidonic acid, and while you and Monty have
> a very blinkered inflammation = arachidonic acid viewpoint the talk
> actually focuses on COX-2 as being the big problem. COX-1 produces
> beneficial effects with AA.
>
> One slide even highlights the blind spot you both have, namely that
> there has to be a stimulus to trigger phospholipase to release the AA.
> It doesn't just happen. AA is literally and metaphorically the
> messenger not the cause.
>
> MattLB


So tell us, MattLB, could there be a chronic degenerative inflammation
WITHOUT AA?

Taka
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:01 PM
MattLB
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

On Apr 28, 2:47 am, Taka <taka0...[at]gmail.com> wrote:
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> For those who like it in pictures:
>
> http://www.biol.sc.edu/~bergerlab/gu...0610/DIXON.ppt


No surprise to discover it's just another sensationalist Taka heading
that isn't backed up by the link. Inflammation is what is being called
the secret killer, not arachidonic acid, and while you and Monty have
a very blinkered inflammation = arachidonic acid viewpoint the talk
actually focuses on COX-2 as being the big problem. COX-1 produces
beneficial effects with AA.

One slide even highlights the blind spot you both have, namely that
there has to be a stimulus to trigger phospholipase to release the AA.
It doesn't just happen. AA is literally and metaphorically the
messenger not the cause.

MattLB
  #81  
Old 04-28-2008, 03:54 AM
Taka
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

On Apr 28, 11:06 am, monty1...[at]lycos.com wrote:
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> I had trouble opening it. Can it be accessed another way?

You need MS PowerPoint or a free viewer or compatible suite such as
the OpenOffice (free from SUN) to open it. Some viewers are e.g.:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126492
http://pptfaq.com/FAQ00153.htm
http://www.download.com/PowerPoint-V...-10742145.html
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:06 AM
monty1945@lycos.com
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Default Re: Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

I had trouble opening it. Can it be accessed another way?

With regard to AA, it basically makes the body biochemically unstable
(assuming that it is in your cells, rather than the natural Mead
acid), so that minor stresses can cause tremendous damage over the
long run, particularly as "chronic inflammation." Many have asked me
about the AA in products like meat, but that seems to be a minor
issue, relative to a diet rich in PUFAs and cooked meat (due to HCAs
and other dangerous molecules generated - most of the small amounts of
AA in meat probably don't get very far, because they are changed
during cooking, etc.), and low in antioxidant-rich food items.

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Old 04-28-2008, 02:47 AM
Taka
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Default Arachidonic Acid - the secret killer

For those who like it in pictures:

http://www.biol.sc.edu/~bergerlab/gu...0610/DIXON.ppt
 
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