Marshall Price wrote:
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Hi Marshall,

I was in a health food store today looking at
lecithin. It was packed in cardboard containers,
plastic ones and finally a glass jar. It was the
latter that had an interesting message about the
keeping qualities of the powder. It indicated
that, for durability, the container to use was an
amber (or presumably a darker color) glass bottle
with a metal lid. Plastic was a no no.

Try it again and who knows what it will do with
yourlove life. ;-)

"Marshall Price" <d021317c[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Which means that a fatty acid + palmitic acid cannot yield an ester, as
mentioned above. Forgot what you get when you combine two carboxyls, but
it's not an ester. And it's not a typical biochemical reaction, possibly
exceedingly rare.
--
DT

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Marshall Price wrote:
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I understand that the soy granules are derived
from the beans by some
process using petroleum products.

I'd prefer it from eggs but I'd want it from
organic free range eggs. The
pesticides, herbicides etc might be worse than
traces of the petroleum product.
It seems that we very often have to walk fine
lines nowadays.

I just looked through SR-20 for egg yolks but they
don't identify any lecithin.
There's loads of fatty acids listed though.

Marshall Price wrote:
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Should be the cheapest way too.

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Yup, when you buy your own oil, you usually know
what you are getting.

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Possibly the lid of the can was not tight enough
or the moisture penetrated
the cardboard as it aged. An airtight glass jar -
like salsa comes in - would
keep the moisture initially but as the level goes
down more air and moisture
would enter. Small airtight jars would probably be
best. On the other hand
maybe it decomposed anyway, regardeless of the air
and moisture. I have
had those soy granules in plastic bags for a month
or more with no noticeable
change.


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Right! When your mind wants sex, it starts to work
on your imagination :-)

ironjustice wrote:
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Thanks Tom.

I'll give it a whirl and will let you know if it
dissolves my face ;-)

ironjustice wrote:
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It's widely available in granules, which is the best way to buy it.

When it looks like an oil, it's just lecithin mixed into an oil --
which may or may not be healthy, and certainly isn't what you're paying for.

But I used to get it in a sort of powder (in large cardboard cans)
consisting of tiny fluffy masses. It was very nice because it melted in
my mouth and tasted great. But it didn't last long once the container
was open. It absorbed moisture, I think, and it may have oxidized or
something, and it gradually settled in the can and thickened. I miss it.

I used to imagine it improved my sex life, but hey, it's all in the
mind, right? And the mind needs plenty of lecithin. ;-)

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

RF wrote:
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People have been putting avocado on their faces for a long time.
It's got a lot of lecithin in it, and vitamin E, and probably alpha- or
beta-hydroxy acids, not to mention fatty acids and vitamin C.

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

ironjustice[at]aol.com wrote:
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It says here (Merck Index 13, #7064) that cetylic acid is a synonym
for palmitic acid!

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

ironjustice wrote:
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Incidentally, Carl C. Pfeiffer told me personally that the lecithin
from egg yolks was healthier than that from soybeans, and that it was
available from Borden's, the makers of Egg Beaters. That was in the
mid-1970s, and I never followed through on it, so I don't know whether
they sell it nowadays.

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

On Jun 7, 10:23*am, RF <R...[at]NoDen.con> wrote: How young does one have
to be for this to work?<<

"In the aged skin"

It didn't say ..

On Jun 7, 10:23 am, RF <R...[at]NoDen.con> wrote: Are wrinkles
manifestations of an inflammation? <<

I think it is lack of collagen ..

"PS caused increased procollagen transcription and procollagen
immunostaining in the upper dermis"

On Jun 7, 10:23 am, RF <R...[at]NoDen.con> wrote: I have seen soy
lecithin in stores and I believe it was dry granules. Is it made into
a paste for application? I believe it has low solubility in water -
maybe in canola or olive oil? <<

Lecithin comes in a liquid in bottles and is very inexpensive
It does mix well with other vegetable oils.

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ironjustice[at]aol.com wrote:
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Thomas, you have really snowed me under.

If I have the gist of things, applying lecithin or
veggie oil to your face removes or reduces
wrinkles. How young does one have to be for this
to work? Some years ago I read a letter to the
editor of a newspaper from a young woman swearing
that applying egg yolk to her face a few times/day
banished her acne. Maybe lecithin at work?

http://tinyurl.com/4ugp5 leads to:
http://www.biospace.com/news_story.c...5637320&full=1

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This started off with vegetable oil. If you apply
oil, say canola, to your skin (notice not MY skin
here <-- would be medical advice ;-) ) the
lecithin in the oil would reduce the wrinkles?
Are wrinkles manifestations of an inflammation?

I have seen soy lecithin in stores and I believe
it was dry granules. Is it made into a paste for
application? I believe it has low solubility in
water - maybe in canola or olive oil?

Presumably Celadrin has the active ingredients
much more concentrated than in the veggie oils or
is it more for joints or bruised flesh than the skin?







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Taka wrote:
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So far this thread has not lived up the
expectation expressed by the title: Topical Oil
and Wrinkly Skin.

Taka wrote:
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Castrol is a company that markets motor oil!!!
You mean castor oil?


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On Jun 7, 12:25 pm, "ironjust...[at]aol.com" <ironjust...[at]aol.com> wrote:
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Same as saturated fat. It is also resistant to "bonding with oxygen"
which we normally call oxidation ...

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Well I guess they block the AA metabolizing enzymes like COX-2 and 5-
LOX. There is no need for this with Mead acid in the body but for
most normal people the blunting of AA responses is helpful. Given
their resistance to oxidation they seem like a much better alternative
to the Omega-3 PUFAs. Remember my past post on the castrol oil, it
seemed doing the same ...

Taka

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On Jun 6, 8:25*pm, "ironjust...[at]aol.com" <ironjust...[at]aol.com> wrote:
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this stuff. <<

Seee ..
Who to .. believe .. ?

They are both talking about the same fatty acids except different
sites.

"The cream contains cetylated fatty acid, such as those in fish oils"
"The fatty acids in fish oil are rather different from those in
cetylated fatty acids"
http://www.knee1.com/news/mainstory.cfm/246
http://www.thirdage.com/ebsco/files/104660.html


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http://www.thirdage.com/ebsco/files/104660.html
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On Jun 6, 8:06*pm, "ironjust...[at]aol.com" <ironjust...[at]aol.com> wrote:
I still never got an opinion to the big difference between Pam and
this stuff. <<

"Clear improvement within the first 30 minutes"

http://www.myomed.com/cfa.php

Cetylated Fatty Acids (Cetyl Myristoleate)

Cetylated Fatty Acids (CFAs) are naturally occurring compounds that
have been esterified to make them resistant to bonding with oxygen.
These oils have been shown to reduce inflammation and pain without
side effects. In multiple tests performed at universities studying
CFAs, participants showed significant increases in mobility and
decreases in pain and inflammation.
These results are generally attributed to CFAs ability to reinforce
and lubricate cell membranes.
In fact CFAs show cumulative therapeutic affects over time.
In a double blind study at the University of Connecticut, all of the
osteoarthritic participants using CFAs showed clear improvement within
the first 30 minutes following treatment.
After 30 days of continued treatments, participants showed even
greater cumulative effects in reduced pain, range of motion, stair
climbing, and getting up and going forward from a chair. CFAs are one
of the key components that allow Myo-Med users to return to active
living.

-------------------------------
These cetylated fatty acids are different from fish oil fatty acids.
Are they the same as the fatty acids found in plants?
-------------------------------
http://www.thirdage.com/ebsco/files/104660.html

"The fatty acids in fish oil are rather different from those in
cetylated fatty acids"

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On Jun 6, 2:08*pm, RF <R...[at]NoDen.con> wrote:OK, Thomas, are you
trying to tell me that my wrinkles will disappear if I paint my face
with canola oil, or, or? <<

I said this quite a few years ago.
Someone said I had better watch giving out medical advice.

Rubbing vegetable oil over your body is medical advice.

I suppose it is the 'intent to treat' part .. ?

I proposed Pam the spray on cooking spray (lecithin) would
theoretically make a good anti-inflammatory

http://tinyurl.com/4ugp5

It seems this stuff is pretty good.
I still never got an opinion to the big difference between Pam and
this stuff.

International Federation of Sports Medicine Selects Celadrin(R)
Topical Cream as it's First and Only Official Joint and Muscle Topical
Cream
PRNewsWire News Releases
Published: 02/25/08 09:15 AM EST
Released By:
Imagenetix, Inc.
Newsvine
Comment
SAN DIEGO, Feb. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Imagenetix, Inc. IAGX, announced
today that the International Federation of Sports Medicine (FIMS) and
its Executive Committee has selected Celadrin(R) Topical Cream as its
Official Pain Relieving Cream. FIMS's goal since 1928 was to provide
the best medical care for the athletes of the summer and winter
Olympic Games. Now it has expanded its goal to provide the most
advanced knowledge and technologies in sports medicine for world class
athletes and exercise enthusiasts.

Commenting on the recommendation, Mr. William Spencer, Imagenetix's
Chief Executive Officer said, "We are extremely excited to have our
Inflame Away(R)- Celadrin(R) selected by this World Class
organization. FIMS consists of national associations of top sports
medicine physicians, specialists and researchers and their endorsement
is indicative of the strong science surrounding the product and the
effective results the product has produced in athletes. The highly
compelling scientific data from clinical trials in the area of pain
management and reduction of inflammation was key to their
recommendation."

Celadrin(R) has been endorsed by FIMS as the official pain relieving
cream for a period encompassing the years 2008 until 2012. Celadrin(R)
will maintain this exclusive and prestigious association throughout
this athletic cycle.

Mr. Spencer added, "We believe this endorsement will be instrumental
in our retail launch of our branded product and will be the
cornerstone of an advertising program utilizing testimonials of
athletes alike that have used and endorse the product."

Dr. Walter Frontera, the president of FIMS, stated that "FIMS is very
impressed with the scientifically validated Celadrin(R) Topical Pain
Cream. After reviewing the scientific attributes of Celadrin(R)
Topical Pain Cream, FIMS is convinced of its efficacy for the
treatment of soft tissue injuries that may interfere with sports
performance."

About FIMS

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International Federation of Sports Medicine is an international
organization comprised of individual members, national associations,
and multinational groups, with a common involvement with sports
medicine on all continents. FIMS aims primarily to promote the study
and development of sports medicine throughout the world, to assist
athletes in achieving optimal performance, and to enhance health
through the practice of exercise and physical activity in the general
population. www.fims.org.

About Imagenetix

Based in San Diego, California, Imagenetix, IAGX is an innovator of
scientifically tested, natural-based, proprietary bioceutical products
developed to enhance human health on a global basis. Imagenetix
develops, formulates and private-labels propriety over-the-counter
topical creams, skincare products and nutritional supplements to be
marketed globally through multiple channels of distribution. In
addition, the company develops patentable compounds for entering into
licensing agreements with pharmaceutical partners. Imagenetix is the
creator of Inflame Away(R)- Celadrin(R), which has been clinically
tested to relieve osteoarthritis pain and significantly improve joint
health. For more information on Celadrin(R), please visit, www.celadrin.com.

This document contains forward-looking statements within the meaning
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looking statements. The company may experience significant
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ironjustice wrote:
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OK, Thomas, are you trying to tell me that my
wrinkles will disappear if
I paint my face with canola oil, or, or?

If so, don't tell anyone and we'll patent the idea
;-)


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On Jun 6, 8:35*am, ironjustice <teamtan...[at]hotmail.com>
wrote:Phosphatidylserine from soy lecithin <<

Myy lathering lecithin logic is gathering steam since showing lowering
of cholesterol by the topical application of soybean lecithin.

Ageing skin AND cholesterol .. lowering ..

Match .. it ..

I wonder what percentage phosphatidylserine there IS in regular old
soybean lecithin .. ?

What drugs will this lowering of cholesterol replace .. ?

What type of drugs will be replaced .. ?

By using a topically applied vegetable oil .. ?

Sounds good to me.

Lecithin lathered liberally.

You may get some on your hands.


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New Fat-based Anti-wrinkle Lotion Slows Down Aging of Skin, Study
Shows
ScienceDaily (Jun. 6, 2008) — Topical applications of a naturally
occurring fat molecule have the potential to slow down skin aging,
whether through natural causes or damage, researchers report.

Through both the normal aging process and external factors like UV
damage, smooth, young skin inevitably becomes coarse and wrinkled. The
basis of this wrinkling is that time and damage both lower the
production of new collagen while increasing the levels of enzymes
called MMPs that chew up existing collagen.

Covering up, slowing down, or even stopping the wrinkling process has
become a big business, and as part of this research endeavor, Jin Ho
Chung and colleagues tested seven naturally occurring lipids (greasy
molecules that play many important biological roles) in their ability
to reduce skin aging.

In samples of skin cells, three of the lipids could prevent UV-
radiation from both reducing collagen expression and increasing the
levels of MMPs; they even increased collagen in undamaged skin cells.
Of these three, the molecule phosphatidylserine (PS) seemed the most
promising, so the researchers tested it on human skin.

They applied a 2% PS solution to small areas of the buttock in both
young and old volunteers; the young skin was subsequently given a dose
of UV-radiation to simulate sun damage. In both natural and UV-induced
aging, PS treatment prevented collagen reduction and an increase in
MMPs when compared to no treatment.

While larger and longer trials are needed to confirm any therapeutic
benefits, these initial findings suggest topical PA application might
be a simple and natural way to slow down the biological elements
underlying wrinkling.

----- http://www.naturalnews.com/016646.html

"Phosphatidylserine from soy lecithin contains mainly polyunsatured
fatty acids, while phosphatidylserine derived from bovine brain
contains mainly saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids, as well as
some docosahexaenoic acid."
----- Journal of Lipid Research, Vol. 49, 1235-1245, June 2008
Copyright © 2008 by American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular
Biology

Phosphatidylserine prevents UV-induced decrease of type I procollagen
and increase of MMP-1 in dermal fibroblasts and human skin in vivo
Soyun Cho*,,,**, Hyeon Ho Kim*,,, Min Jung Lee*,,, Serah Lee*,,, Chang-
Seo Park, Sang-June Nam, Jeong-Jun Han, Jin-Wook Kim and Jin Ho
Chung1,*,,

* Department of Dermatology, Seoul National University College of
Medicine, Seoul, Korea
Laboratory of Cutaneous Aging Research, Clinical Research Institute,
Seoul National University Hospital, Seoul, Korea
Institute of Dermatological Science, Seoul, Korea
** Boramae Hospital, Seoul National University, Seoul, Korea
Department of Chemical and Biochemical Engineering, Dongguk
University, Seoul, Korea
Doosan Biotech Division, Gyeonggido, Korea

This work was supported in part by Grant A040008 from the Korea Health
21 R & D Project, Ministry of Health and Welfare, Republic of Korea.

Published, JLR Papers in Press, March 12, 2008.


1 To whom correspondence should be addressed. e-mail:
jhchung[at]snu.ac.kr

In an effort to find topical agents that prevent or retard cutaneous
aging, seven functional lipids were screened for their procollagen-
upregulating and matrix metalloproteinase (MMP)-1-downregulating
activities in human dermal fibroblasts by Western blotting. The
preventive effect on ultraviolet (UV)-induced decrease of procollagen
was demonstrated in phosphatidylserine (PS), lysophosphatidylserine
(LPS), lysophosphatidic acid (LPA), N-acetyl phytosphingosine (NAPS),
and tetraacetyl phytosphingosine (TAPS). Furthermore, PS, LPS, and LPA
upregulated procollagen expression in unirradiated basal conditions.
The inhibitory effect on UV-induced MMP-1 expression was seen in NAPS,
TAPS, LPA, PS, lysophosphatidylglycerol, and LPS. PS was chosen as the
most suitable candidate anti-aging chemical for the subsequent in vivo
studies. We investigated the effects of PS on acute UV response and
chronologic skin aging by topically applying it to young skin before
UV irradiation and to aged human skin, respectively. Real-time PCR and
Western blot revealed that in the young skin, PS treatment prevented
UV-induced reduction in procollagen expression and inhibited UV-
induced MMP-1 expression. PS also blocked UV-induced IL-6 and COX-2
gene expression in cultured fibroblasts dose-dependently. In the aged
skin, PS caused increased procollagen transcription and procollagen
immunostaining in the upper dermis, and a significant decrease in
MMP-1 expression at both mRNA and protein levels. These results
indicate that topical PS has anti-skin-aging properties and point to
the potential use of PS as a therapeutic agent in the prevention and
treatment of cutaneous aging.


Supplementary key words ultraviolet • intrinsic aging • photoaging •
matrix metalloproteinase-1

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